That's the next part of the procedure? You sure about that?

I've been pulled over a bunch of times, given my name and not been asked to exit the vehicle.

And she never accepted the girl's name. She got into a stupid argument over it.

No, I think for some offenses, police should have the discretion to arrest/cite people for those offenses, and I think it is OK if a police officer incorporates the subject's pleasantness and forthrightness into that....calculus.

You keep assuming that she was drunk. She wasn't even driving. Officer JORR also wouldn't be so dumb that he doesn't understand how apellidos work.

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Ok, I disagree. I dont think most cops can be trusted with that kind of leeway.

That's the usual excuse for doing everything wrong- "I was frightened for my life". It works a lot better with a big black dude though.

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If Officer JORR saw a 20-something in a college town standing out of the sunroof of a moving vehicle and that same 20-something argues with forced elocution about her last name but doesn't think that 20-something has a "high probability of drunkeness", Officer JORR should be fired before this cop.

I agree. Guys use it when they're running from the cops all the time.

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Forced elocution

That's great. So if you slur you're drunk, if you dont slur you're drunk.

The girl was not drunk. If she was they would have breathalyzed her and already come out with it.

Don't be disingenuous, all of us seasoned drunks know how we try to hide a buzz with attempts at perfect speech and pronunciation.



From Alonso Luna's Facebook page on the incident:



I'm sure she was trying to distinguish being "intoxicated in a public place" from being a passenger in a car because she wasn't intoxicated.

If you slur you're racist. If you don't slur, you're still racist. 100%.

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With me, it's never an attempt.

Don't be disingenuous, all of us seasoned drunks know how we try to hide a buzz with attempts at perfect speech and pronunciation. [/quote]
I'm familiar with what you describe, it just did not occur in the video. You are hearing what you want to hear.

Was Alonso-Luna drunk or intoxicated?

I dont know. I know she did not appear to be drunk at all in the video to veteran drinkers and observers of drunks like me and JORR.

But some people hide it well.

Why don't you know if she was drunk or intoxicated? Earlier in the thread you said unequivocally that she wasn't drunk.



What changed?

I took the new information you provided (her facebook post wording) into account.

The girl certainly did not appear drunk to me, though.

And I still think if she was drunk they'd have come out with it or breathalyzed her. You disagree?

I don't think that the police not publicly releasing breathalyzer results is sound reason to presume both that they tested her breath and that the result came back .00.

There is no actual evidence that points to her not being intoxicated.

Regardless of all that, she was still issued a lawful order by a police officer, refused, and then was forcefully arrested, during which she battered multiple officers.

She thinks she can do this because people will run to wherever they discuss these things, and point out how awful the police officers are and completely disregard he culpability in her forceful arrest.

You skipped the part where the lawful order to get out of the car was based on her being "unpleasant"

And that's my whole issue with it.

You shouldn't have to kiss ass and act like a kid in the Principal's office when stopped. They work for us.

It's really, truly sad that we are at a place with our society where someone can take and honest-to-goodness issue with being pleasant to a police officer to maybe get let off on a minor charge, and that someone who is decidedly unpleasant won't.

What you're really arguing for here is that the officer should have let her go despite her unpleasant nature, so I guess we should just all come to you for a decision on who to charge with what, and when. I'm glad you have this all worked out for us.

What?

I'm saying if a crime was committed, arrest them whether they are pleasant or not. If a crime wasn't committed, don't arrest them, pleasant or not.

Pretty simple and rational, I think.

That's a fine notion but cops are also imperfect humans. Rarely does an interaction with a cop start with neither party on edge. At one time we were taught to adjust our attitude accordingly as you cannot win that battle. You win that battle in court, not in the face of a cop because your ego got the best of you.

We need to stop apologizing for blatant idiocy. There is far too much of it. The running narrative should be to close your mouth and win in court. The minute that kid tells the cop just to get back in his car it's a shit show waiting to happen.

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Yep this has been on the news the last couple of days. Fairly peaceful protest last night as well. They marched from the police station of East Pittsburgh (a separate town) and then closed down the highway nearby a while. Really looks to be a bad situation but authorities I saw are treating it properly.

I cannot verify just now but I think I hear don the news this morning the cop was just sworn in literally days before this and he was uncontrollably emotional.

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The cop feared for his life.

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I saw him answer that question. He was clear he said generally a shooting could be justified... He did not comment on the facts of this case one bit.

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Given nothing other than what the video shows, this looks Slager-esque in its viciousness.

I will also note that the car matched the description of one used in a drive-by shooting not 15 minutes beforehand, a shooting in which the victim said he returned fire and struck the car, and the vehicle in question had a back window shot out. Two handguns were found on the floor of the vehicle.

That's a lot of information to be processed to an officer in a patrol unit in such a short amount of time, some of it very specific

But for the sake of argument, let's say the call went out that a vehicle matching exactly the description of the one the officer encountered, was involved in an attempted murder via drive by shooting, and had been struck by return fire from the intended victim. Would a suspected drive by shooter fleeing on foot reasonably pose a threat to the officers and/or the community at large? Does the officer need to see the suspected drive by shooter, who was in a vehicle exactly matching the description of one involved in an attempted murder, actually armed in order to justify that fear? These are honest questions, not rhetorical gotcha's.

The cop has been charged.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antwon-ros ... 018-06-27/

Prosecutor says that they will ask the jury to consider a range of charges, which I don't think bodes well. People will just get confused and you'll end up with a hung jury.

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