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Never fully understood the Drake Equation when my Astrobiology professor explained it to us in college because the probability of how life arose here and the sequence of events leading to Homo sapiens is incalculable. Maybe our Space Force can figure this shit out.

https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/7xmjey/we-are-probably-alone-in-the-universe-fermi-paradox-drake-equation?__twitter_impression=true


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If you want to feel small contemplate some of that stuff.

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Too many sightings for me to ever believe that.

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High degree of confidence that we are not the only communicative species in the galaxy [maybe the cluster], much less the universe. The probability that we encounter another of these species is practically zero, though.

We're just now seeing light from stars in our galaxy that was emitted nearly 100K years ago. The most distant star we've observed is 9 billion light years away. Sentient life can evolve in 100K years, and with the upper observable limit being 9 billion years, it's inconveivable that we don't share this universe with someone else, we just can't see it.

And don't get me started on whether any interstellar species we do encounter will be peaceful (they will be).


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
High degree of confidence that we are not the only communicative species in the galaxy [maybe the cluster], much less the universe. The probability that we encounter another of these species is practically zero, though.

We're just now seeing light from stars in our galaxy that was emitted nearly 100K years ago. The most distant star we've observed is 9 billion light years away. Sentient life can evolve in 100K years, and with the upper observable limit being 9 billion years, it's inconveivable that we don't share this universe with someone else, we just can't see it.


I think it’s more inconceivable that there are people on this world that think they know everything. So much out there to stretch the knowledge of our most intelligent.

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pittmike wrote:
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High degree of confidence that we are not the only communicative species in the galaxy [maybe the cluster], much less the universe. The probability that we encounter another of these species is practically zero, though.

We're just now seeing light from stars in our galaxy that was emitted nearly 100K years ago. The most distant star we've observed is 9 billion light years away. Sentient life can evolve in 100K years, and with the upper observable limit being 9 billion years, it's inconveivable that we don't share this universe with someone else, we just can't see it.


I think it’s more inconceivable that there are people on this world that think they know everything. So much out there to stretch the knowledge of our most intelligent.

Scientists are very conservative by nature, the Scientific Method even dictates that they search to disprove their hypothesis, for the love of God.

So I'm hopeful that stuff like this is more the result of them being cautious about their predictions to a fault, and not they they are absolutely confident that they know absolutely all that they speculate on.


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Yeah those pesky scientists... always trying to question things.

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Too many sightings for me to ever believe that.

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just land and say “hello.” That’s what we would do if we found life on Mars. The secrecy angle makes no sense to me.


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Yeah those pesky scientists... always trying to question things.

As good a time as any to revisit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZSiG69aCg


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Too many sightings for me to ever believe that.

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just land and say “hello.” That’s what we would do if we found life on Mars. The secrecy angle makes no sense to me.

I think it’s been brought up before but if you haven’t yet, watch the “ unacknowledged” documentary . Lots of food for thought . Put me firmly in the there’s no fucking way we are alone camp too.

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Heisenberg wrote:
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Too many sightings for me to ever believe that.

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just land and say “hello.” That’s what we would do if we found life on Mars. The secrecy angle makes no sense to me.


I'd say that any species advanced enough to travel and observe us has their own version of the Prime Directive. A civilization with the raw power to warp space and time for travel wouldn't want to interact with one that can't even fathom their technology, I would think.


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Unacknowledged on Netflix spells it all out

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badrogue17 wrote:
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Too many sightings for me to ever believe that.

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just land and say “hello.” That’s what we would do if we found life on Mars. The secrecy angle makes no sense to me.

I think it’s been brought up before but if you haven’t yet, watch the “ unacknowledged” documentary . Lots of food for thought . Put me firmly in the there’s no fucking way we are alone camp too.


Simple common sense supports you.

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So, if extraterrestrial life does NOT exist, then someone please explain to me Dignified Rube?


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Unacknowledged on Netflix spells it all out


Is there supported evidence? I remember him being on Rogan’s podcast years ago. He came off as sketch.


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I’ll watch “Unaknowledged”— sounds interesting. But humans can’t even observe a clam without messing with it, so I’ll be interested in how other species watch us without interacting. Unless they do interact, and alien abductions are real.


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Heisenberg wrote:
I’ll watch “Unaknowledged”— sounds interesting. But humans can’t even observe a clam without messing with it, so I’ll be interested in how other species watch us without interacting. Unless they do interact, and alien abductions are real.

Iirc Peoria Matt will vouche for Unacknowledged being at least thought provoking and not tabloid garbage.

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Unacknowledged is great.

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FavreFan wrote:
Heisenberg wrote:
I’ll watch “Unaknowledged”— sounds interesting. But humans can’t even observe a clam without messing with it, so I’ll be interested in how other species watch us without interacting. Unless they do interact, and alien abductions are real.

Iirc Peoria Matt will vouche for Unacknowledged being at least thought provoking and not tabloid garbage.

Was Peoria Matt abducted? Probed?


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FavreFan wrote:
Heisenberg wrote:
I’ll watch “Unaknowledged”— sounds interesting. But humans can’t even observe a clam without messing with it, so I’ll be interested in how other species watch us without interacting. Unless they do interact, and alien abductions are real.

Iirc Peoria Matt will vouche for Unacknowledged being at least thought provoking and not tabloid garbage.


Yes. Very interesting.

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Was Peoria Matt abducted? Probed?


My family wonders the same thing.


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Unacknowledged is great.


The one where is it speculated that Marilyn Monroe was murdered because she knew about aliens? It had some interesting parts, but the guy fell off the deep end.

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pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
High degree of confidence that we are not the only communicative species in the galaxy [maybe the cluster], much less the universe. The probability that we encounter another of these species is practically zero, though.

We're just now seeing light from stars in our galaxy that was emitted nearly 100K years ago. The most distant star we've observed is 9 billion light years away. Sentient life can evolve in 100K years, and with the upper observable limit being 9 billion years, it's inconveivable that we don't share this universe with someone else, we just can't see it.


I think it’s more inconceivable that there are people on this world that think they know everything. So much out there to stretch the knowledge of our most intelligent.



Aliens have had many interactions with our military, they shut down our nukes, Russia too, hell.. Ohare was closed down for half a day when UFO was fuckin around there 10 years ago.

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Is there supported evidence? I remember him being on Rogan’s podcast years ago. He came off as sketch.


steven greer is nuts. i can't believe people are referencing his work as legitimate. i've listened to hours of him speak and its great. i'm all in. but its fanatical. like i've always put him on par with erick von daniken and his crony, this guy :

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If we have no contact with them and have no hope for contact with them then the question of their existence is irrelevant

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I would say that we are not alone, but I would also say that most so-called "sightings" are just people seeing something natural or man made in the night sky that they do not understand.

It may simply be impossible for faster than light travel to actually be accomplished. I believe some MIT physicists calculated that to reach FTL speeds would require a power generation sources that is more than 10x greater than our own sun's total output. If that is true, then while we may not be alone, other intelligent lifeforms will certainly not reach us nor will we ever reach them.

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So, if extraterrestrial life does NOT exist, then someone please explain to me Dignified Rube?

I believe you might be confusing the word 'alien' with 'anus'.

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I would say that we are not alone, but I would also say that most so-called "sightings" are just people seeing something natural or man made in the night sky that they do not understand.

It may simply be impossible for faster than light travel to actually be accomplished. I believe some MIT physicists calculated that to reach FTL speeds would require a power generation sources that is more than 10x greater than our own sun's total output. If that is true, then while we may not be alone, other intelligent lifeforms will certainly not reach us nor will we ever reach them.

Right, cus if we can't do it, nothing else can.

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I would say that we are not alone, but I would also say that most so-called "sightings" are just people seeing something natural or man made in the night sky that they do not understand.

It may simply be impossible for faster than light travel to actually be accomplished. I believe some MIT physicists calculated that to reach FTL speeds would require a power generation sources that is more than 10x greater than our own sun's total output. If that is true, then while we may not be alone, other intelligent lifeforms will certainly not reach us nor will we ever reach them.

Right, cus if we can't do it, nothing else can.

I just don't see how you can generate 10x the power of a star.

Besides, there is the interesting idea that each civilization does eventually reach the point at which it can destroy itself. Many theorize that few civilizations survive this stage in their development. We as a species entered this era in 1945. Whether we survive it remains to be seen.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I would say that we are not alone, but I would also say that most so-called "sightings" are just people seeing something natural or man made in the night sky that they do not understand.

It may simply be impossible for faster than light travel to actually be accomplished. I believe some MIT physicists calculated that to reach FTL speeds would require a power generation sources that is more than 10x greater than our own sun's total output. If that is true, then while we may not be alone, other intelligent lifeforms will certainly not reach us nor will we ever reach them.

Right, cus if we can't do it, nothing else can.

I just don't see how you can generate 10x the power of a star.

What if the MIT hypothesis is wrong?

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