I don't think they really care about salary. They want to get out of the pension business.

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They want less benefits, wages. Think of walmart or amazon, mostly part timers with no benefits and pay em chump change.

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The state? It may become less money but I do not see them hiring part time.

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A President who has staffed his cabinet with billionaires and industry and whose only major legislative accomplishment through 1.5 years with a Congress controlled by his party being a enormous tax cut to corporations and wealthy individuals.

Anti-establishment. Alrighty!

KW I can see your point but if you think Trump is the establishment you are nutso.

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Elections have consequences.

Bullshit talks. And Trump is very good at talking.

The actions reflect who is truly is.

It's pretty obvious he is the establishment given the huge celebration about him having another Supreme Court nominee. Everyone knows he is going to pick a guy that falls right in line with the Republicans.

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This isn't about policies, though Trump has radically changed from all the presidents before him. He has revealed inequities in our trade agreements and has called on other nations to start funding their own militaries. He has moved away from globalism. If you don't think that's big deal, then we'll agree to disagree.

Does the political establishment consider Donald Trump to be one of them?

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Yup, it's sad seeing posters like leash and America on their knees slurping a corporate whore like Trump because People on Twitter made fun of white people.

Their posts used to have fire and pashun.

You are talking about perception. Policies are what makes you establishment or not.

He has at least brought some good things to the table to talk about, but 99% of the time he's just pushing the same Republican agenda that (generic Republican) would be too. The only exception may be the trade deals but most of those were bipartisan from a time when such a concept existed.

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Your posts used to not be so judgmental. Or maybe they were; I don't remember.

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Define "establishment."

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I think you both touch on an interesting thing here. Most candidates, when they run for office are part of a party apparatus (For example, the last thing Obama wanted was Hillary Clinton in his cabinet. That was something he had to do because of inner party politics.). They also have all kinds of connections within the political system. Trump owed the GOP nothing. He also didn't have a bunch of people that were his close associates who had worked in D.C. for their entire careers. It just so happened that right-wingers stepped in to fill those gaps. I really believe it could have gone another way. It's not as if Trump was married to a conservative ideology going in.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

If he does pick a hard core righty, i blame the dems.. Trump is the kind of guy who can be swayed but the dems tried to alienate him instead of coax him.. Another dumb Dem move..

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There are two groups. Republicans and Democrats. You fall into one of two groups and then push that specific agenda. That is the "establishment".

Here is an example. Donald Trump, when not a Presidential candidate or President, was pro-choice. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 Is there a chance that he nominates a pro-choice Supreme Court nominee? He already completely swapped to get the Presidential nomination so I'm sure you'll say something about how his views have evolved. That shows that he isn't anti-Establishment though. He's fully embraced nearly all of the Republican agenda.

President Trump in 2000 may have been anti-Establishment. President Trump today is not.

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But Trump's supporters voted for him because he wasn't the establishment. Surely you agree with that. And because of that, the "establishment" has been trying to find phony ways to impeach him from office. Both R's and D's have been doing that, by the way. So, to America and Kirkwood's initial conversation, being "anti-establishment" these days applies much more to people who support Trump than those who don't.

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In his behavior? No.

In his actions? Yes.

What's he done that's anti-establishment? He running the Republican playbook:

‣Unpaid for tax cuts for wealthy
‣De-regulation throughout industry
‣Runaway spending on military
‣Cuts to social programs

Sure, Trump's handling of trade disputes are a huge pivot to Washington's responses. However, I don't see picking trades fights with China, EU and North America all the same time (!!!) will end up working out.

Ok. So the fuck you has been said. Now what?

Well, do you think it got through?

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Brick is correct. Trump's rhetoric was anti-establishment. His policies haven't been. His economic advisers are relics from the old Reagan administration. There aren't too many that are more "establishment" than his choices for Veep and AG. Reince Priebus also had a prominent role in the admin. at one time. His Chief of Staff is a highly directed General.

He is essentially continuing and promoting the Republican agenda of the "silent majority" era. He also jumped in bed with Evangelicals too. There is nothing revolutionary about what he is doing other than talking a little more shit than every President since LBJ.

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Another reason why quitting drinking is bad.

Makes you a terrible comedian
Makes you a terrible actor
Makes you a terrible musician
Makes you a terrible message boarder
Makes you a terrible president

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I think so. I just hear that sentiment a lot about Trump and his election, but I just dont know what the next step is. Respect the working class? I think they already kiss the ass of the working class constantly during campaigns.

I just disagree that it got through.

I don't think anyone is calling for revolution, but as long as the media continues to act as though no one in this country actually voted for Trump or that those who did are mouthbreathing mutants (or as JORR puts it "refusing to accept the election"), then those same people will continue to cast protest votes. There is nothing more to be "accomplished," but the media and the Left are actively trying to discard the voice of the people. That's why right now, Trump is anti-establishment.

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What's your excuse?

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Can you imagine if PittMike were to quit drinking? The board might as well shut down.

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It's impossible to respond to why Trump voters went for him without labeling them.

However if campaign rhetoric defines who you are then a lot of candidates are anti-Establishment.

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Examples of Trump caving to the GOP Establishment:
- Repeal of the ACA. Left it to congress to draft and it failed miserably
- Tax "Reform" Left it to congress and we got exactly what we'd expect
- Gorsuch: Conservative constitutionalist that very much resembled Scalia without the arrogance
- Budgtet Approval: Nothing different here. Approved horrendous big govt spending that makes both parties happy

Trump's Agenda:
The Wall - not happening yet
Travel Ban - Finally got a version through
Trade
Drain the Swamp - Did not happen

I'd say he's been more of a GOP schill than an antii-establishment POTUS.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that his polices are extreme or groundbreaking. The point is that he was elected, and the "establishment" is trying to get rid of him as though he weren't elected. It has nothing to do with liking him or having opinions on his policies. Hell, it's not even about Donald Trump. I loathe Donald Trump. It's about the people who elected him to office. They elected him fair and square. The "establishment" is trying to overturn the voice of the people. That's why I hold the views I do. If I voted for Trump in 2030, it would have nothing to do with him and everything to do with the fact that I don't want the elites in this country to be able to just "pick" our president because they don't like someone else.

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You have a strange way of showing you loathe Donald Trump.

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Yup.