The Freedom Caucus is the fringe?

Well, I thought you self-identified as liberal, but I'm glad you could declare yourself as more objective than I. Kudos to you on that one. What you can't seem to wrap your head around is that I rarely, if ever, give my opinion on Trump or his policies. My commentary is exclusively on the media and how things are portrayed. Not to be rude, but since you brought it up... you are extremely swayed by the media. Just the other day, you said something about the immigrant children being the downtrodden that JORR would have supported years ago due to his belief in taking down the elites. What you don't even conceptualize is that the downtrodden who have been shit on by our government's policies are often Trump voters (not all, but a large part). The only people you were standing up for in your "defense" of immigrant children was the sensationalist media, Hollywood, and suburban moms who need something to bitch about.

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No, I don't. There are legitimate reasons to disagree with his policy, but we have to at least agree on what his policy is and how different it is from the past.

Please answer this question: do you not find the outrage over the immigrant children to be almost completely contrived and hypocritical?

Second question: the article DannyB posted this morning... do you think people would just let an article like that "slide" if the author was instead describing black Obama voters moving to Florida and only voting for him because they were racist?

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And my commentary is primarily on hypocrisy. Yet you seem to have an issue with it. Thursday afternoons. 5:00

Please answer this question: do you know who the President of the United States was on April 6th?

The separation of kids with their families was the problem. It would only be hypocritical if Obama was doing it too.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Im among the majority of people who are more objective than you at this point.


and you use that as reasoning for supporting Trump, so....doesn't really matter.


That is not at all what happened, but your re-imagining of it is interesting.

I did not defend immigrant children. I asked JORR a question about past statements and he answered. It wasnt even about the issue at hand. It was more about how JORR had previously seemed ok or at least understanding of extreme measures by the have nots.

I have also not ripped Trump voters or excluded them. I have consistently been on the side of the less fortunate and working class no matter what side of the aisle anyone is on. That's why I can truthfully call myself objective, because whether it's Obama not following through on promises to help the poor or a GOPer being honest about it, I am always for helping the little guy, that includes many Trump voters.

So, one of us has remained constant thru all the years. The other one had a pretty significant changed outlook in the last two years. I would say the one who is most likely swayed by media is the one who suddenly changed, not the one who stayed constant. But we'll agree to disagree on that I suppose.

In fact, you pretty much all but admit the media made you change how you look at things. With me, I understand there is a ton of bias in media and I just consume it with that in mind and stick with my core principles.

I have said a number of times that I am no Obama fan. The truth lies in your deflection however. No one will admit that the white nationalists in that article were racist. Black voters using identity politics is a big deal but nary a word when the white Florida democrats vote for Trump.

Sort of. Have you ever seen that Jordan guy?

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I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm sure you are genuine in your beliefs. But my views changing don't necessarily mean that I'm not objective. In fact, I openly admitted that I was wrong for a long time. How many people are willing to do that?

The reality is that neither you nor I am objective. No human being is. But I can say with a good conscience that I try to be as objective as possible. If you do the same, good for you. I didn't start getting personal here.

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I didnt get personal.

You started a paragraph with not to be rude then made a ridiculous claim that Im swayed by the media bases on an argument (defense of immigrant children) that I never made.


Im glad you try to be objective. I do too. We're now a team. #TeamObjective

I agree, but it's disingenuous to say it was and is only the fringe on the Right doing it when there is an entire caucus and sub-party made up of those people serving in Congress.

This doesn't even make sense.

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You're a damn idiot and fool.

But both parties have always had fringe elements.

I think he's talking about the media/culture. There's a big difference between CNN and Infowars. I'll grant that Fox is mainstream although I personally wouldn't consider Hannity as such, but I'd say he has enough viewers to be called "mainstream". Jimmy Kimmel is considered a "Voice of America". Scott Adams is not.

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Expected but not surprising retort from the proverbial message board police. I am not going anywhere you damn fool.

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1) Yes. But it's an issue created by Trump and his administration. Whereas Obama housed unaccompanied minors in cages you had Trump splitting families and then caging the children. And they're having trouble reuniting the children with their deported parents.

And now he's cornered Congress into scrambling to revise policies to prevent catch-and-release but also avoid permanament detention. It's all giant clusterfuck because they didn't map out off the outcomes and consequences of their new policy. His administration is so single-minded and ignorant that their initiatives (even though the original intent makes sense) always end up rolled-out so half-assed.


2) In today's environment? Are you kidding me? Of course.

Shove it. You think you're objective? "Objective The Clown" maybe! You have been proven liar multiple times and still you jest. You were suspended from this cite for months at a time and more than once. That says more about your "objection" than it does about me!

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It's so hard to fight the desire to create lashyourkids.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You should.

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I was going to go with leaseyourkids because that has levels to it beyond parody.

Doing a makeover on your son would certainly trigger many on here.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No. I should

I don't know. I have a feeling you were responsible for Joe Bore Ode.

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I was not. I am responsible for 2 mults ever. The second of which was just the same with a different spelling when I forgot the password.

You and leash should stop repeating this like it's fact. It's utter nonsense.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

My answer would be a pretty firm no.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

You know that's not a fair summary of lyk's post. Lyk to me is applying dispassionate reason to Trump writ large and people are confusing that for partisan support. He can simultaneously hold pro and anti Trump positions because he's approaching this intellectually and not through a simplistic left vs right kind of prism. The only thing I'd disagree with lyk on in his post (and with jorr who also says similar things about this) is the Russia stuff. Election interference is a well-known practice at the level of nation states that happens all the time. To dismiss the investigations and intelligence that led to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election is to adopt a partisan talking point. If you actually want to formally prove that this was nonsense then feel free of course, but at the moment there is broad bipartisan agreement (save for outliers in Trump's circles) that Russia did try to pull some shit in 2016. That agreement is based on reports provided by intelligence agencies to elected officials. It's about as formal and systematic as you can get. To what extent did that interference compromise the whole election is a different question, and I'm not aware of any research that said the results are in dispute because of the extent of Russian interference. That's another thing I think guys are conflating: you can admit Russia interfered while also believing that the interference did not sway the results in any meaningful way. I'm totally on board with all the other stuff: not every Trump supporter is a racist and it's simply not healthy to demonize every Trump voter, though I understand how it can be a tough call to not demonize someone for supporting someone who takes pleasure in regularly demonizing others. It's still not right i believe in the majority of cases because there are voters who didnt give a shit about voting for Trump because people on Twitter are liberals - they voted for him for basic reasons that anyone can relate to.

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Yeah, if we're being honest with ourselves, vegan is the most objective here.

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We're all biased to some degree, like you said. It's about being able to recognize biases when we see them. Just by reading the Trump stuff on this board over the past few months I've become aware of some of my own blind spots when it comes to Trump. I'm sure I'll discover more.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY