Nah, it's true. Are you telling me you knew Obama had kids in cages before that moron Favreau thought it was Trump and mistakenly tweeted a photo?

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Oh, I don't doubt Russia (among others) may have attempted- or even succeeded- in interfering in our elections. And I don't believe leash is insisting that has never occurred either. And I'd have no problem with an investigation of possible foreign interference. But that's not what's happening. This is a GET TRUMP investigation. That's why Mueller isn't investigating the Podesta brothers and their foreign connections and Fusion and the origination of the dossier and instead he's fucking around with Michael Cohen and George Papadopoulos and Stormy Daniels.

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The origination of the Dossier was.... oh never mind.

It sure didn't originate with Donald Trump.

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So you would like Paul Singer to be interviewed?

Now you’re moving the goalposts though. Look at the difference between what you just wrote and the bolded part. Google Deporter in Chief. Look at some of our posts from that time frame because I know I started multiple threads on it. And yeah to your point, they weren’t responded to often, as were the drone strike threads and bombings on Doctors Without Borders bombing. But they were written about and some here did acknowledge it. There were far more leftists denouncing what Obama did 6 years ago than there are conservatives denouncing what trump is doing right now. I’ve always given my honest opinion on both sides and I think if you disagree with that you’re just plain blind to reality right now.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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There's no comparison in the heat that Obama took for any of those things and the heat Trump takes just by getting out of bed in the morning. That's just a fact.

And sure, Trump has handled the border somewhat differently than Obama but not differently enough that one guy's approach hardly deserved mentioned while the other is on magazine covers depicted as "PURE EVIL".

I read both Chicago papers everyday and I have since I was about 13 years old. I think I have a pretty good grasp on how things are covered.

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JORR your trump persecution syndrome clouds you many times from looking at things objectively.

Honestly man this is pure garbage. You know I’m not this guy with you but these are straight up Fox News bullshit talking points.

First part completely ignores that Trump brings this completely on himself with his xenophobic, nationalistic rhetoric and actions. That’s a fact.

Second part comically understates the shift in policy as “somewhat differently”.

I don’t think you are displaying that you have a good grasp of how things are covered.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I don't watch Fox News.

This whole thing started when Jon Favreau tweeted out a photo of kid's in cages that he didn't know was from 2014 with text that said that it was evil and "not who we are." In case Peeps wants to chime in with a mocking "people on Twitter" as if that's meaningless, Twitter has huge reach and many "journalists" "use Twitter to do their jobs" and that photo was liked and retweeted countless times with more and more vitriol directed at Trump and his administration. When it became clear that the photo was from Obama's time in office suddenly there were good reasons to "house" kids and the photo "didn't tell the whole story."

Everything above is a fact. And if you won't acknowledge that, you might be biased.

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This really is not very complicated. You do not have to over analyze all the stories for each president. If you cannot acknowledge in general terms that Trump is treated in a different more unfavorable manner than Obama then you are not trying to see at all.

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Trump is covered differently but Obama got lots of criticism, too.

And yes, the difference of separating families is very significant.

People who keep trying to make it seem the same are not being honest.

Well thanks for your reply. Particularly the last two sentences which I said nothing about.

So weird that the bolded word is there in your first sentence. Everyone does it as I am sure I did for the Obama times with regard to W. It really is useless in discussion isn't it?

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What?

Your posting in a larger discussion, so I responded to your comment and the previous comments on which your post was based.

Cheers!

I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but have you been to the border? Of course, I know you haven't. I haven't either. So everything we know about the situation there is filtered through someone else's eyes.

When a person tweets a story that he thought had something to do with Trump but it turns out it happened under Obama and then he equivocates about it, he really has no credibility.

The narrative once it came out that the kids in cages occurred during Obama's presidency quickly became, "Those kids came to the border alone." Maybe they did. Or maybe ICE under Obama arrested the kids' parents and left the kids out there alone. I have no idea and neither do you.

But look at the way the story is covered. Look at the language and the way it's used. Obama "housed" children. Trump "kept kids in cages." Trump didn't simply arrest people crossing the border illegally. (Generally when adults are arrested their children don't come to jail with them.) He "ripped families apart."

You could report the story very simply: Our border policy has been a mess for a long time. Donald Trump has acted to make things worse. I think that would be a fair assessment. But when the goal is to #RESIST, that isn't enough. It can't be a larger discussion of border policy. It has to be a demonization of Trump who "rips families apart" and is "PURE EVIL".

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It is all a problem. Compare Trump's kids in cages to Obama/Holder Fast and Furious coverage.

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A Trump hating journalist being biased doesn't change the facts though.

Your speculation that the reporting on Obama's arrests could be incorrect, could be applied to any reporting on anything, so that doesnt really help our discussion.

We definitely DO know that Trump's admin is separating families as a rule, where Obama did it very rarely. That is a fact and a big difference. To keep acting like it's the same thing is wrong.

Trump gets more negative coverage anyway but in this case, a good case can be made by some (not me because i have different thoughts on immigration) Trump's border policy deserves more negative coverage.

All media has been Fox News'd. People saw how successful Fox was during the Obama administration and have rushed to copy it.

It isn't some unexplained phenomenon, and it isn't some sinister plot to overthrow Trump.

It's about ratings and feeding the appetites of the American people.

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That's the thing. I'm not sure we do know that. I don't trust the press to cover Trump (or Obama) honestly. They've been wrong too many times. When it comes out it's always a "mistake", but it's odd how the mistakes never make Trump look good.

One thing I know for a fact is that a photo from 2014 was tweeted. When it was widely believed that the photo was taken during the Trump administration it was used to vilify Trump. When the truth came to light, there was a concerted effort to explain why Obama was only doing what he needed to do. The photo has been around since 2014 so at least one guy tried to cover it. But it never gained traction and the world wasn't upset that "Obama caged kids."

And I use quotes there to make a point. I would never use such a construction. It's obviously charged and biased. It would be better to say that U.S. policy resulted in kids who crossed the border being kept in large cage-like structures. That's a way to write the story. Another way is to not write it at all. And then three years later scream, "TRUMP IS A MONSTER WHO CAGES KIDS!!!!! #RESIST!

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I don't disagree with you here. I mean, there are members of the media who would like to see him overthrown, but generally, they do it for ratings (and to virtue signal). The irony (and hypocrisy) of it is that they help Trump immensely and are the primary reason he is president, and they are the primary reason he will likely be re-elected if he chooses to.

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Sure. And as you say most don't care. The Trump presidency is great business for the media.

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Reminds me of an old SNL Weekend Update where they said "Yesterday, Court TV had the highest ratings ever as the OJ Simpson verdict was revealed. Today, Court TV has been cancelled."

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I mean, if you just flat out dont trust the media at all (understandable), then there is really no point trying to parse what is true and not true.

You've attributed that to many different things now as the primary reason. They can't ALL be primary.

They're not mutually exclusive. There was a confluence of a number of things that were all effects of the fact that the working class is tired of the bullshit lies and condescension of the establishment. The media just magnified and exacerbated that belief. Maybe "primary" wasn't the right word... but they threw gas on the fire and continue to do so.

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When did the working class first feel the condescension? During Obama?

Were they happy during the W. Bush years?

Do you disagree that the election of Donald Trump was a result of working class angst?

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No, I think that's part of it for sure. Not sure how much of a role the whole condescension thing played or how new that is. I guess it also depends on who you define as the working class. I think most people who post on this board are working class.

Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley aren’t walking thru that door.

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Two words: Hillary Clinton

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