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Why would anyone want Bernie to run again? He's going to be 79 in 2020. Hopefully the Dems will come up with someone with the stones.

I wanted Elizabeth Warren to run, but she doesn't really seem interested in the job. Joe Biden? gtfo with that; a guy on the record as having "no sympathy for millennials" would be a monumentally stupid choice, not to mention my suspicion that the Joe Biden #metoo is ready to spring forth like a jack-in-the-box the second he announces he's running. Cory Booker is a terrible, Emanuelesque neoliberal, and his other big problem is so obvious, we don't even need Jason Goff to point it out for us. Gillibrand will say the right things but has no principles beyond getting elected, but maybe that's good enough.

It'll probably be Bernie running again and then being ratfucked again but this time in support of Kamala Harris.


The problem with Liz Warren is that she is as old as Hilary, and she also is pretty terrible in interviews. She was defensive about innocent questions from Bill Maher.

Bernie vs. Trump would be interesting, but you can see the playbook unfolding for all Democratic-Socialists. If they are not destitute then they are phonies. Ocasio-Cortez grew up in a house with doors- traitor.

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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.

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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Why would she be solid?


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Bernie vs. Trump would be interesting, but you can see the playbook unfolding for all Democratic-Socialists. If they are not destitute then they are phonies. Ocasio-Cortez grew up in a house with doors- traitor.


Bernie v. Trump would have been even better the first time around because Bernie would have won. Bernie could have taken the fight to Trump in ways that Hillary was too scared to, didn't know how to, or wasn't able to. I wouldn't necessarily call it "sinking to his level" but he could certainly engage Trump in a way that people could understand. Warren could have done this too, despite her faults, which you outlined.

To your point about how to defeat socdems, there's nothing new under the sun; "AOC lived in a house!" is just a remix of the same "Bernie has three houses!" ratfucking the Dems did, and none of that ever really stuck with anyone of consequence. Bernie is still overwhelmingly the preferred choice of everyday people. The Kamala Harris ride-or-dies all just work in media.

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Michelle Obama would be solid.

I agree, very thicc choice.

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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.

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Duckworth going after her now too..she better be careful, Alexandria already brought one big time democrat to their knees.


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I hope she goes for an office like mayor of NY or governor as we just need to elevate one Democratic Socialist to a high position so that we can watch them crash and burn in that office. That will be the end of this new socialist movement.

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Michelle Obama is too smart to ever run for President. She wants no part of a legacy like Hillary.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.



I would contend that she has more experience than the current place holder.

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Bernie vs. Trump would be interesting, but you can see the playbook unfolding for all Democratic-Socialists. If they are not destitute then they are phonies. Ocasio-Cortez grew up in a house with doors- traitor.


Bernie v. Trump would have been even better the first time around because Bernie would have won. Bernie could have taken the fight to Trump in ways that Hillary was too scared to, didn't know how to, or wasn't able to. I wouldn't necessarily call it "sinking to his level" but he could certainly engage Trump in a way that people could understand. Warren could have done this too, despite her faults, which you outlined.

To your point about how to defeat socdems, there's nothing new under the sun; "AOC lived in a house!" is just a remix of the same "Bernie has three houses!" ratfucking the Dems did, and none of that ever really stuck with anyone of consequence. Bernie is still overwhelmingly the preferred choice of everyday people. The Kamala Harris ride-or-dies all just work in media.


Bernie lost the nomination because he was eaten alive in mostly Red states, and he lost Illinois and Iowa by a rounding error. Maybe now that he's better known it will be enough to take the nomination. Trump barely won in 2016, but this narrative that he is bulletproof if the economy is good is starting to form.

I think that's overlooking that historical comparisons are no longer as apt. With our millisecond news cycle it's nearly impossible to predict the mood of the electorate in November of 2020.

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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.



I would counter that she has more experience than the current place holder.


It's why I said while I guess it no longer matters. I would hate it if we started this trend where the spouse of the former President should now become the president because.. they are known? It's an extension of our celebrity obsessed culture rather than looking into platforms, ideas or philosophies.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.



I would counter that she has more experience than the current place holder.


It's why I said while I guess it no longer matters. I would hate it if we started this trend where the spouse of the former President should now become the president because.. they are known? It's an extension of our celebrity obsessed culture rather than looking into platforms, ideas or philosophies.



https://www.biography.com/people/michelle-obama-307592

Her resume is solid. She has worked in the political arena for much of her adult life. Unlike our current potus, she has a legitimate Ivy League degree, plus a JD from Harvard Law.

You claiming Hillary wasn't qualified is ridiculous on many levels.

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Not a good look for centrist democrats if their star candidates are as complacent and disconnected from their communities as this goof appeared to be.


It's both of the parties. The same thing is driving support for Trump that is driving support for Bernie. The People just don't want the leaders the Establishment is trying to force down our throats.


The problem is that the Democratic Establishment refuses to acknowledge that we have been living in an era of populist revolt--spawned by the failure of neoliberal economic policies--since 2008. Obama's first presidential campaign was imbued with populist rhetoric, but Obama largely abandoned a populist vision upon being elected. His half-assed attempts at financial reform both failed to address the fundamental issues of economic inequality and underemployment that have plagued American society since the Clinton administration and maintained neoliberal hegemony. Obama's refusal to challenge the central pillars of neoliberalism exacerbated populist anger and paved the way for the ascendance of Donald Trump, who shrewdly recognized the political opportunity created by Obama's cowardice. Trump's disingenuous, faux populism has triumphed only because the Democratic party has yet to acknowledge its ideological folly of the last three decades and return to a politics by and for "the people".



If Bernie Sanders is the nominee in 20 the Dems lose and possibly lose big.

Trump wins again barring a criminal indictment. There isn't a Democrat out there with a high enough profile to defeat him.

I hope its Sanders by the way.


Why would anyone want Bernie to run again? He's going to be 79 in 2020. Hopefully the Dems will come up with someone with the stones.


He will be running against guy in his 70's so age won't much matter. I want to see how attractive of a candidate he happens to be if there isn't "the worst candidate in history" acting as his foil.

If he is as good as his supporters think then he will no problem with dispatching Trump.

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Again, someone who lies about their background to concoct a false narrative about themselves probably isn't the ideologue sent from above to rescue the Democrats that Ocasio-Cortez has been made out to be. Especially when her core message is "I'm not white or a man: vote for me", which is the kind of unifying political message the Democrats have triumphantly rode into their fantastic current position in government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... be623d1ca5

I am certain that four years from now when she is running for governor of New York the democratic socialism will be almost entirely absent from her campaign. It'll be much more about her cult of personality than anything meaningful.


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GoldenJet wrote:
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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.



I would counter that she has more experience than the current place holder.


It's why I said while I guess it no longer matters. I would hate it if we started this trend where the spouse of the former President should now become the president because.. they are known? It's an extension of our celebrity obsessed culture rather than looking into platforms, ideas or philosophies.



https://www.biography.com/people/michelle-obama-307592

Her resume is solid. She has worked in the political arena for much of her adult life. Unlike our current potus, she has a legitimate Ivy League degree, plus a JD from Harvard Law.

You claiming Hillary wasn't qualified is ridiculous on many levels.


I never said that Hilary was not qualified. You can read what I said about the trend, and why I dislike it above. Why do you think Trump did not really graduate from an Ivy League school? He did.

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Bernie lost the nomination because he was eaten alive in mostly Red states, and he lost Illinois and Iowa by a rounding error.

Yes and no. While he got crushed in the Solid South, he did very well in a lot of Western states that tend to go Republican. States like Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma could turn out to be fertile ground for socdems only because the Democratic machines there aren't big enough to fuck them like they are in Illinois and New York.

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Bernie lost the nomination because he was eaten alive in mostly Red states, and he lost Illinois and Iowa by a rounding error.

Yes and no. While he got crushed in the Solid South, he did very well in a lot of Western states that tend to go Republican. States like Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma could turn out to be fertile ground for socdems only because the Democratic machines there aren't big enough to fuck them like they are in Illinois and New York.


I would say Nevada is a swing state, but point taken on Kansas and Oklahoma. It's strange that the South gets to decide the Democratic nomination, but it's also odd that New York was such a significant factor in Trump being the Republican nominee.

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It's strange that the South gets to decide the Democratic nomination


You have something against black ladies in church hats??

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It's strange that the South gets to decide the Democratic nomination


You have something against black ladies in church hats??


Anyone going to church really, but I think that the Democrats in Georgia like this candidate who will lose Georgia by 20 points in the general is a strange way to pick a candidate.

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States like Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma could turn out to be fertile ground for socdems

That is the wrongest thing I have heard in a spell


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Unlike our current potus, she has a legitimate Ivy League degree, plus a JD from Harvard Law.

Why do you think Trump did not really graduate from an Ivy League school? He did.


Yeah, Wellesley isn't an Ivy League school and Penn is.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Michelle Obama would be solid. But I don't think she wants or needs it.


Think the Democrats already tried running the former president's wife before. Did not work out so well. While I guess it no longer matters she has zero political experience.



I would counter that she has more experience than the current place holder.


It's why I said while I guess it no longer matters. I would hate it if we started this trend where the spouse of the former President should now become the president because.. they are known? It's an extension of our celebrity obsessed culture rather than looking into platforms, ideas or philosophies.



https://www.biography.com/people/michelle-obama-307592

Her resume is solid. She has worked in the political arena for much of her adult life. Unlike our current potus, she has a legitimate Ivy League degree, plus a JD from Harvard Law.

You claiming Hillary wasn't qualified is ridiculous on many levels.


I never said that Hilary was not qualified. You can read what I said about the trend, and why I dislike it above. Why do you think Trump did not really graduate from an Ivy League school? He did.


I didn't say he didn't graduate...though from Penn, where he got in due to family relationships, not from the Wharton School of Business, as he has claimed.

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I didn't say he didn't graduate...though from Penn, where he got in due to family relationships, not from the Wharton School of Business, as he has claimed.


He graduated in 68 from Wharton with a degree in economics. I don't understand what you are getting at.

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i think the dems trot out bernie to take the hit in 2020. i think it somewhat repairs the angry non voters who were pissed he got railroaded to an extent, so they'll have that base in 2024 when they actually have a chance of victory.


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I didn't say he didn't graduate...though from Penn, where he got in due to family relationships, not from the Wharton School of Business, as he has claimed.


He graduated in 68 from Wharton with a degree in economics. I don't understand what you are getting at.


My mistake. The hubbub is more about the lack of an advanced degree. The undergrad degree, and middling performance, from Wharton is much more pedestrian than an MBA from the Wharton School.

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Jesus Christ, is the book not out on Donald Trump that we have to quibble over what he did when he was 19 years old?

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Back to the topic of the thread...

If she is a leftist socialist, are the white straight males excluded?

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Back to the topic of the thread...

If she is a leftist socialist, do we all get to fuck her, or are the white straight males excluded?


Turn this one up real loud


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