STOP STOP STOP with the batting average doesnt matter SABR bullshit. You couldn't be more fucking wrong and you keep perpetuating this garbage like its a fact. Fucking asswipe.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Totally agree. BA is an excellent stat.

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Agreed. Three true outcomes is a big factor in even diehards complaining more and more about the game. Kasper and Benetti really suck for acting like it’s Actually Good that there are more K’s than hits for the first time in history.

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He is at a Chip Carey replacement PBP broadcaster level. Jim Deshaies is Lou Brock level replacement color man. Cub games are unwatchable on TV with those two strokes.

Those are two terrible takes . I don't like Kasper at all but he's a solid professional broadcaster. Deshaies is really good at what he does. Try again.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You started the thread

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Yeah I’m knocking one part of his broadcast / thought process. I’m not saying he isn’t good broadcaster. I don’t think anyone can objectively say he isn’t a solid pro.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

His voice is Zaidman level bad and his baseball thoughts are lame and unoriginal. I think he’s a pretty shitty broadcaster based only on the criteria “do I want to listen to this guy announce a game”.

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How many announcers do you want to listen to announce a game? Personally, I am indifferent to probably 80%-90% of all broadcasters and only a few announcers across all sports make a difference in my viewing experience. Kasper is fine.

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I'm an old fashioned baseball fan. Just give me the 3 stats that matter for a hitter, AVG, HR, RBI and pitcher : W/L ERA SAVES.

I have no idea what WAR is or any of the new fancy terminology and really don't care. I guess all the science works but whenever these guys on tv start talking about this new stuff I get lost. And I really don't want to know.

Last year I had MLB.tv and enjoyed the vast majority of broadcasts to our local ones.

We need to clone Hawk and Vin Scully before it’s too late.

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i'm like you. I don't really care about annoucers. LIke those years where Tim McCarver was doing the WS and national games and how people complained that he insulted the baseball fan, I really didn't care because I hardly take any of these guys serious. I know what a basehit looks like or a gapper or a SO. Don't need a guy to tell me.

The only point of a game where I do like an annoucer is when the game is out of hand and they tell anecdotes if they were former players. Like The Hawk and Uecker. Or someone like Steve Stone who is great at situational matches and explaining them.

Other than that the PBP guy i don't pay much attention to.

The only guys I love listening to are the SF announcers Kuiper and Krukow. They tell great stories since they were former players and Krukow has such a passion not just for the Giants but the game itself.

The rest of the country is pretty blah.... Most of them sound the same and there is no uniqueness like there was w/ local team announcers in the past.

Agreed. Dick Enberg was even a decent listen for Padres. Today these guys are just voices and shills. As a result, I got rid of the baseball package for DirectTV and don't watch much on the mlb.tv I get for free from T-Mobile.

The best I can say is that he is not as bad as the guys doing Yankee games on YES.

Agree. YES sounds so bland.

Red Sox annoucers are so bland too. There's one guy who actually has a boston accent on that crew but the others all sound the same on that crew.

Duane Stats is still doing it in Tampa. Liked him w/ the Cubs way back when but the guy at least has a unique voice and is pretty good at his job.

Brewers, Cards announcing team is also very bland.

Sadly, Krukow is cutting way back as he is suffering from a degenerative disease which makes travel very difficult.

Gary Thorne is a good listen for the Orioles, although he's better at hockey than baseball. When he's with Jim Palmer, it's excellent, when he's with Mike Bordick, it's above average.

I don't watch nearly as much without Vin or Enberg, and I find that I'm listening more to podcasts late at night to fall asleep than listening to the broadcasts. But I watch enough Cubs games from the road to still justify the package.

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It's interesting that the Mets have always been known for quality broadcasting while the Yankees booth has been a mess for years and years, other than maybe the Jim Kaat/Ken Singleton pair.

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If you didn't mind missing out on every single exhausting detail of the game, I challenge anyone to name a television broadcast team more entertaining than Harry Caray and Jimmy Piersall.

Back in the day, they made a lot bad Sox teams/games watchable, humorous and light.

Harry: "Jimmy, did take your pill today?!?"

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There is nothing more fun than listening to a Mets radio broadcast when the team is losing in some step on their dick kind of way. Howie Rose and Josh Lewin are great together, and losing agitates Howie up to another level. Not a bit of sugarcoating a Mets loss, which as a Cubs fan is exactly how I enjoy it.

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how come whenever i get the mets it's ron darling.

Because you are watching the tv stream, but I am listening to the radio stream.

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Not only can they, they regularly do.

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And there are also people that regularly say the Earth is flat ... that doesn't mean any reasonable person is going to respect that opinion.

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It's a well respected opinion that Kasper is a phony, five headed hump. Fake, over inflected voice. Fake association with analytics. Fake rocker. Len is a douchey propagandist. If the Cubs had high batting averages, he would tell his listeners that batting averages are a great metric.

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He says it doesnt matter?


I mean if he's saying, OBP (which is just batting average plus walks) is the better stat, then he's absolutely correct.

Better? With the Cubs, it seems that the 'better' one is the one which suits the argument best. I have seen MANY posts about Almora leading or being second in the NL in batting average.

His OB% barely cracks the top twenty.

Given a large enough sample size of plate appearances, its probably good to look at both stats as they will both tell you part of the story.
Just like looking at a starting pitcher's W-L record over a large number of starts will tell you about a pitcher. Lesson #1 is free for you there, IMU.

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"Well respected" by whom precisely? One or two people you might be able to name and then extrapolate out to some nebulous "and many others" bullshit?

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I was watching the Sox on Tuesday night. Game is on the line in extras. Bottom 11, one swing wins it. Your best hitter is at the plate and he's looking to walk. To me that's a big problem. I can't pay that guy the money modern analysis insists he's worth.

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Well, one of the stats includes the entirety of the other stat.

One of them completely disregards the other.


Ill go with the all inclusive one. OBP is a better stat, there is no debating that.