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What should happen to the old man? Fine him?


Not even that.

Just post the video and publicly scorn the fool.

I think a citation and fine of a couple hundred dollars would be ok. Regardless of race, it was harassment.



Are you in favor of the same fine and citation for Fr. Pfleger and his protestors? For the people that get in Milo's face?


Or people who harass politicians when they are out trying to eat?

Id put in a 5 foot rule maybe.

Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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No faith in America to hold its ground and retain it's core principles. Sad!

Its actually doing that right now with Trump and all you fággöt liberals hate him for it.

You're gayer than most here, you want to suck Ryan Pace's cock.

I dont hate Trump. I liked Trump before it was cool. You jumped on my bandwagon, buddy.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

Not at all.

They could be wearing a KKK robe that says WU Tang sucks and the Cardinals rule and Id still say people shouldnt be allowed to scream in their face.

I'm also not advocating jail time or anything severe. Just a $100 ticket or something to dissuade people from the behavior.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:27 pm 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

Not at all.

They could be wearing a KKK robe that says WU Tang sucks and the Cardinals rule and Id still say people shouldnt be allowed to scream in their face.

I'm also not advocating jail time or anything severe. Just a $100 ticket or something to dissuade people from the behavior.


That's fine but I think you'd run into Constitutional issues right away.

I think the guy is a drunken asshole, but we rely on government for everything and nobody has any righteous fear anymore. In another time that big dude would have just knocked that old crank to the ground and when he appealed to the cops they would have said, "Maybe you shouldn't have yelled at his girlfriend like a nutjob."

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

Not at all.

They could be wearing a KKK robe that says WU Tang sucks and the Cardinals rule and Id still say people shouldnt be allowed to scream in their face.

I'm also not advocating jail time or anything severe. Just a $100 ticket or something to dissuade people from the behavior.


That's fine but I think you'd run into Constitutional issues right away.

I think the guy is a drunken asshole, but we rely on government for everything and nobody has any righteous fear anymore. In another time that big dude would have just knocked that old crank to the ground and when he appealed to the cops they would have said, "Maybe you shouldn't have yelled at his girlfriend like a nutjob."

but in 2018 the big dude goes to jail so now what?


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.


What would you if someone did that to your wife?

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.


What would you if someone did that to your wife?



Minimally shove him. Probably knock him to the ground. If he was a big dude like leash I'd just yap at him until FavreFan stopped him from beating my ass.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

Not at all.

They could be wearing a KKK robe that says WU Tang sucks and the Cardinals rule and Id still say people shouldnt be allowed to scream in their face.

I'm also not advocating jail time or anything severe. Just a $100 ticket or something to dissuade people from the behavior.


Not buying it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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pittmike wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


What if he was yelling at a guy in a Confederate flag shirt or a guy wearing a swastika armband? Would that make any difference?

Not at all.

They could be wearing a KKK robe that says WU Tang sucks and the Cardinals rule and Id still say people shouldnt be allowed to scream in their face.

I'm also not advocating jail time or anything severe. Just a $100 ticket or something to dissuade people from the behavior.


Not buying it.

What are you not buying besides O'Douls?


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.


What would you if someone did that to your wife?



Minimally shove him. Probably knock him to the ground. If he was a big dude like leash I'd just yap at him until FavreFan stopped him from beating my ass.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Not buying it.

What are you not buying besides O'Douls?


I think most here would be opining that they had it coming if this happened to the hypothetical KKK/Nazi guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Not buying it.

What are you not buying besides O'Douls?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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pittmike wrote:
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Not buying it.

What are you not buying besides O'Douls?


I think most here would be opining that they had it coming if this happened to the hypothetical KKK/Nazi guy.

I didnt say anything about most here. I speak for myself. And you can go search the Milo threads and see me calling out the Berkely nutbags at the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.


What would you if someone did that to your wife?



Minimally shove him. Probably knock him to the ground. If he was a big dude like leash I'd just yap at him until FavreFan stopped him from beating my ass.

:lol: :lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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Not buying it.

What are you not buying besides O'Douls?


I think most here would be opining that they had it coming if this happened to the hypothetical KKK/Nazi guy.

I didnt say anything about most here. I speak for myself. And you can go search the Milo threads and see me calling out the Berkely nutbags at the time.


Alrighty then Mr. Sensitive. I am not buying it but am not at your store.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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What should happen to the old man? Fine him?


Not even that.

Just post the video and publicly scorn the fool.

I think a citation and fine of a couple hundred dollars would be ok. Regardless of race, it was harassment.



Are you in favor of the same fine and citation for Fr. Pfleger and his protestors? For the people that get in Milo's face?

Perhaps ... but it's not quite the same with the latter two than with the lady. She was just standing around and, afaik, was minding her own business up to that point. The other two are out there making a spectacle of themselves for whatever reason(s) and it wouldn't be hard to argue that they were inviting 'dialogue', to keep it polite.
It wouldn’t be hard to argue that chick in the short skirt and low cut top drunk at the bar wasn’t inviting “sexual assault “, to keep it polite

A person would have to be pretty fucking dumb to compare, in any way, sexual assault with being yelled at.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.


What would you if someone did that to your wife?



Minimally shove him. Probably knock him to the ground. If he was a big dude like leash I'd just yap at him until FavreFan stopped him from beating my ass.


:lol:

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I think you can see with this Forest Preserve how dangerous these laws can be. There is probably no underlying crime and even if there is it is a minor ticket. It gets bumped up to a felony because the guy said mean things.


This was a case where public opinion influenced the states attorney to make use of a law in a way it was never intended.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:35 pm 
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I think you can see with this Forest Preserve how dangerous these laws can be. There is probably no underlying crime and even if there is it is a minor ticket. It gets bumped up to a felony because the guy said mean things.


This was a case where public opinion influenced the states attorney to make use of a law in a way it was never intended.

Maybe he should have used a penny to check the tread on her tires.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Yelling is one thing, that guy was trying to intimidate and literally getting in her face.



You really have to stretch to call that assault. He never touched her and if she really thought he was threatening her she probably wouldn't have just stood there filming it.

Im not thinking in legal terms here and I never said assault but what that guy did should have some sort of punishment, imo.


I think that they all should handle this crap the same way. Make the management remove the people harassing them and if they won't act, then call the police and make them do it. Haul these pukes away to jail and prosecute them. No person deserves to be harassed because of the person that they work for or who they support. ANd unless you stand up to bullies, then this shit will continue to go on forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Crime Laws
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His conduct was alarming and disturbing, which is the very definition of disorderly conduct. That is what he could have been properly charged with. Had the officer acted properly and just told the guy to shut up and move along, or he would be charged with disorderly conduct, all this crap never is a big deal. But it wasn't a hate crime and if he gets a good attorney, it will either be knocked down to DC or he will go to trial and very likely get an acquittal.

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Well said by both The Hawk and Elmhurst Steve


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