He's the manager of a CVS in Illinois, and probably an at-will employee, not someone under contract. There's no need for an investigation or "due process", they can just say "you no longer work here", and don't even need to provide a reason. The only time CVS would need to show cause is if they move to deny him unemployment benefits.

The fact that he was fired swiftly indicates that he was fired because his actions brought Twitter Heat down on CVS more so than it indicates that CVS has some proof that he was acting to discriminate against this woman because of the color of her skin.



The fact that he was fired indicates that the coupon was legit? How does that compute? You really think CVS, even if they knew the coupon was bogus, would stick with the employee who is being called a racist and pictured all over social media in his CVS uniform with his CVS name tag in stories and posts that say "CVS" over and over again? You really think CVS would choose to do battle on that hill against outraged liberals?



They. Don't. Need. To. Show. Cause.

how do you forge a coupon....?

Photoshop. Lots of people print their coupons at home. It would be an easy forgery. When the barcode doesn't work, say it's because your inkjet printer must have messed up those tiny little lines. I've never done it but I would guess you have about a 1-in-3 shot that the cashier does a manual override just to shut you up.

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Duh its obvious that they don't have to show cause since they didn't show cause.

This isn't really a revelation. They also don't have to fire him simply because they may have received some bad publicity.

Not all employees have been terminated in such situations. His error must have been considered egregious by his employers.

If he didn't follow proper protocols in determining whether the coupon was legit or not that would be cause for termination.

She said that he didn't scan the coupon.

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Not sure what the confusion is.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Didn't she try to scan the coupon? Wasn't that the whole reason for the encounter?

In the interview she says he looked at the coupon and decided that it was phony.

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And why was he over there looking at the coupon in the first place? Did he just come up and yank it out of her hands, or did she call him over for assistance? I've seen conflicting reports about where she actually was trying to check out at in the store, self-checkout or at a manned register.

Do you think that Starbucks manager should've been fired? Id say in todays day and age, companies are far more likely not to stand behind the worker in these situations, right or wrong.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Here is her statement. I don't want to get in a political discussion as it is a deflection. Isn't a liberal/conservative thing as much as it simply is a matter of human decency.

From what it appears police should never have been called. There also were other employees there obviously and chances are the owners probably spoke with them as well.

https://youtu.be/lgrE4Tj7KiM

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"The customer is always right" predates black women's cell phone videos.

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She says that he looked at it and said that he couldn't take it. Also why was it necessary for her race to be referenced on the 911 call? Did the dispatcher specifically ask about her race or did he volunteer the information?

https://youtu.be/lgrE4Tj7KiM

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You can't because they'd burn up.

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Oh my God ......

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

If the cops showed up then they would know the description of the person, including race. There are at least 5 things they absolutely ask. If they didn't respond then I suppose they might not ask but that is usually reserved for people calling the cops for the wrong toppings on their pizza. Im guessing they responded. And Im willing to bet this woman made a scene worth calling them because that's what many modern human beings do now when they are told no.

Im also willing to bet we never see the entire video of the exchange just like we didn't with the Starbucks thing. The narrative is created. Full steam ahead. America is horribly racist despite the statistics that suggest otherwise. The statistics actually suggest that when compared to other countries the US is remarkably tolerant, and safe. That doesn't sell news.


The manager at that Starbucks was a seriously progressive person, politically. People who know her have come to her defense on reddit and elsewhere but the media isnt covering it. Somewhere, the video exists of her being verbally accosted for an hour or so until she felt the need to call the police. Facts dont matter. Great times.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/07/16/black-woman-cvs-manager-called-police-coupon/787389002/

... Hudson recorded video of manager Morry Matson calling 911. The man appeared nervous and shaking, a reaction Hudson said she didn't observe before the video. Matson describes Hudson to the dispatcher as an African American. Hudson is heard saying, “I’m black. Black isn't a bad word."

Hudson said three officers arrived at the store. The officers didn't take any action.

... Matson is running for Chicago City Council and was a state delegate for Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

Well, that last sentence sure is a real fucking shocker.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

There are too many presumptions in this statement. No.1 she must have caused a scene because that is what "modern human beings do when they are told no".
She might have caused a scene because she had a perfectly legitimate coupon that she knew was legit so why wasn't he honoring it?

If the coupon was fake she wouldn't have displayed it for the world to see. She more than likely wouldn't be doing interviews either.

There were other people in the store besides those 2 and maybe they backed up her version of what happened. Also if she is the perpetrator of the conflict then why does did the other employee get fired as well?

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She says the coupon was mailed to her by the manufacturer of the product. It was to be used because the product she originally purchased was defective. She also says that her dispute wasn't with "coupon Carl" initially. Says they were speaking about the coupon while she waited in the self checkout aisle. She claims the second employee was the person with whom she had the problem. He walked up as she was in self checkout and claimed that the coupon was fraudulent simply because he'd never seen one like it before. Says she wasn't upset with them for not honoring the coupon but she was upset with the way the other employee spoke to her. She took the phone out to record him and when she did he walked to a room in the back and locked the door so he couldn't be recorded. Coupon Carl at that point told her to leave the store or she'd be arrested. He then called 911 and that is when she began recording him.

Her phone wasn't the only source of recorded evidence either. CVS has store cameras on site which would have had to have recorded the incident. Don't know if they pick up audio but they would be able to provide a visual.

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Log Cabin Republican.

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yeah no shit.

Are Log Cabin Republicans the gay ones?

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Elections have consequences.

It's also completely irrelevant to the story.

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"You're making too many presumptions to be taken seriously, now here is an updating list of my presumptions about the same thing."

No, white people took it back.

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Yeah but you conveniently ignore relevant points that were made (And your own list pf presumptions) for the purpose of doing what exactly. You didn't provide one piece of information that was relevant to anything that occurred in the store and your presumptions (such as the scanning of the coupon) were incorrect. So was the point relative to whether or not it was a valid coupon or not. The validity of the coupon was the reason behind the disagreement in the first place.

So they would have fired the guy even if the coupon was bogus simply to avoid the all important twitter beefing that would have ensued? They also would have issued a statement and risked the possibility of a lawsuit by implying that there was some level of discrimination on the part of the employees because they were afraid of the political backlash from whom exactly?

As usual you're short on factual evidence but long on assumptions and innuendo. Back to the drawing board and simply read for a change.

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You have evidence that the coupon was real?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

There are no conflicting reports from her and you just contradicted your own assumption that there were no other people inside the store. With that being the case then where are the conflicting reports coming from? The terminated employees have not commented as of yet and you just claimed that my assertion regarding other people being inside the store was "presumptuous". With that being the case where are you getting these "conflicting reports" from exactly? Or are you simply making it up as you do with most everything else?

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I'll ignore your unprovoked personal slights and respond just to this: yes, and the wording of their statement makes a lawsuit difficult, because if you were paying attention, CVS never said the employee was being discriminatory, instead saying that they don't tolerate discrimination.

Yes.

Not found in all stories related to the incident which is prolly why DT missed it.

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I never said anything about other people being in the store, and some stories on it mention a self-checkout machine and others just jump straight to her interaction with the employee and then manager.