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I’d be interested to hear what CVS policy ( or how are their employees are held accountable ) is if it turns out an employee accepts a coupon that ends up being fraudulent .



Might have to pay out of their pocket. I've had certain employees from different franchises (particularly fast food) tell me that if their register is short or someone passes them a counterfeit bill it comes out of their check. Don't recall anyone stating that they'd be terminated.


The maximum value on that coupon was $17.99. Is the guy supposed to lay nearly $20 of his own money just so Twitter doesn't cost him his job? What's a manager of a CVS pulling down, anyway, 50K a year, max? Googles gives me 57K pre-tax as the median.



Can you explain to Frank how you are making inference and not making stuff up? He seems a tad bit confused unsurprisingly?


What did I "make up" in the post of mine you just quoted? I made an approximation of the salary of the manager based on what I know managers make in other retail stores, and as it turns out I wasn't too far off.



The part about Twitter costing him his job is made up. Its a fabrication at worst and a presumption at best.

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America is horribly racist despite the statistics that suggest otherwise.

:lol: :lol:

So we're gonna compare the US to other countries, now? You're better than this Mr. Good Kat.

And were you aware that the poster America in this thread said that Black people are trash, jokingly or not?


So because one poster said a mean thing it means the entire country, which elected a black president twice is racist? By what standards?

And at what point will it cease to be racist. When no one says mean things ever?

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I’d be interested to hear what CVS policy ( or how are their employees are held accountable ) is if it turns out an employee accepts a coupon that ends up being fraudulent .



Might have to pay out of their pocket. I've had certain employees from different franchises (particularly fast food) tell me that if their register is short or someone passes them a counterfeit bill it comes out of their check. Don't recall anyone stating that they'd be terminated.


The maximum value on that coupon was $17.99. Is the guy supposed to lay nearly $20 of his own money just so Twitter doesn't cost him his job? What's a manager of a CVS pulling down, anyway, 50K a year, max? Googles gives me 57K pre-tax as the median.



Can you explain to Frank how you are making inference and not making stuff up? He seems a tad bit confused unsurprisingly?


What did I "make up" in the post of mine you just quoted? I made an approximation of the salary of the manager based on what I know managers make in other retail stores, and as it turns out I wasn't too far off.



The part about Twitter costing him his job is made up. Its a fabrication at worst and a presumption at best.


Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?


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Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?


If this is not covered in the media or on social there is no way the higher-ups even hear about it. I would not doubt that the lady is a grifter using a fake coupon, but if she needs to steal to have adult diapers that's beyond sad. Give her credit for trying and two packs.

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Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?


If this is not covered in the media or on social there is no way the higher-ups even hear about it. I would not doubt that the lady is a grifter using a fake coupon, but if she needs to steal to have adult diapers that's beyond sad. Give her credit for trying and two packs.



Now she is a grifter that stole a fake coupon? Presumption or fabrication depending on one's perspective.

How would you as the ultimate apologist for this sort of thing feel about someone suggesting that the only reason the police were called was because she was black?

Also she attempted to make the higher ups aware of it by requesting the guy's id # and name. I don't know if he provided it. Apparently she was extremely interested in making the higher ups aware of it.

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Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?


If this is not covered in the media or on social there is no way the higher-ups even hear about it. I would not doubt that the lady is a grifter using a fake coupon, but if she needs to steal to have adult diapers that's beyond sad. Give her credit for trying and two packs.



Now she is a grifter that stole a fake coupon? Presumption or fabrication depending on one's perspective.

How would you as the ultimate apologist for this sort of thing feel about someone suggesting that the only reason the police were called was because she was black?


She stole a fake coupon? I would say she created a fake coupon. You are just attacking me instead of what I'm saying. I'm certain you would agree if race was not involved. If a white person used a fake coupon, was told it could not be accepted, and then caused a scene and refused to leave she would just be called a douchebag rather than a victim.

If the coupon was not a fake I would change my mind, but I have yet to see evidence of that. And the picture of the coupon looks highly suspicious.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Might have to pay out of their pocket. I've had certain employees from different franchises (particularly fast food) tell me that if their register is short or someone passes them a counterfeit bill it comes out of their check. Don't recall anyone stating that they'd be terminated.


The maximum value on that coupon was $17.99. Is the guy supposed to lay nearly $20 of his own money just so Twitter doesn't cost him his job? What's a manager of a CVS pulling down, anyway, 50K a year, max? Googles gives me 57K pre-tax as the median.



Can you explain to Frank how you are making inference and not making stuff up? He seems a tad bit confused unsurprisingly?


What did I "make up" in the post of mine you just quoted? I made an approximation of the salary of the manager based on what I know managers make in other retail stores, and as it turns out I wasn't too far off.



The part about Twitter costing him his job is made up. Its a fabrication at worst and a presumption at best.


Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?



He may have been fired because he falsely called police. One of the reports said his call to the police involved him or the other guy feeling threatened. Maybe he wasn't at least physically. She requested his name and ID# according to her and maybe he felt threatened by that. If you are doing retail sales that happens all the time and comes with the territory. If she didn't physically threaten him then there was no need to call the police. There also wasn't a need to have her arrested or threaten her with an arrest.

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Weird, none of the CVSii by me have self checkout.


All the ones i've been in or noticed have them. I hate self checkouts. I rarely use them and the one located near me sort of encourages its customers to use them.


I've only noticed them when I've been downtown...I think they think it makes things go faster for commuters...I'm not sure.

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Do you think this manager gets fired if the story doesn't circulate on social media?


If this is not covered in the media or on social there is no way the higher-ups even hear about it. I would not doubt that the lady is a grifter using a fake coupon, but if she needs to steal to have adult diapers that's beyond sad. Give her credit for trying and two packs.



Now she is a grifter that stole a fake coupon? Presumption or fabrication depending on one's perspective.

How would you as the ultimate apologist for this sort of thing feel about someone suggesting that the only reason the police were called was because she was black?


She stole a fake coupon? I would say she created a fake coupon. You are just attacking me instead of what I'm saying. I'm certain you would agree if race was not involved. If a white person used a fake coupon, was told it could not be accepted, and then caused a scene and refused to leave she would just be called a douchebag rather than a victim.

If the coupon was not a fake I would change my mind, but I have yet to see evidence of that. And the picture of the coupon looks highly suspicious.


You just made 3 assumptions not based on any evidence.
1. She is a grifter

2. The coupon is fake.

3. She is a thief.

Since you are asking "if she were white"? then answer this if you can.

Would you be making the same assumptions if she were white? I highly doubt it.

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https://www.cvs.com/bizcontent/general/ ... policy.pdf

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CVS Pharmacy® coupon policy
CVS Pharmacy coupons (ExtraCare® coupons and other store‐issued coupons), ExtraBucks® Rewards and third‐party
manufacturer’s coupons are accepted in our retail stores subject to our CVS Pharmacy coupon policy and as required by state
and local laws. A full copy of the policy is available online. Visit CVS.com/CouponPolicy for more information.  CVS Pharmacy
reserves the right to change this policy at any time without advance notice or advertisement. When accepting coupons, we
follow the guidelines below:
 All coupons must be presented during checkout, be legible and have a scannable barcode.  
 Coupons are void if copied, scanned, altered, expired, or prohibited by law.
 We reserve the right to process coupons in any order.
 Qualifying ExtraCare card must be presented at checkout to use CVS Pharmacy coupons or ExtraBucks rewards. Valid
coupons loaded to your ExtraCare card will be applied at checkout.
 We cannot scan coupon barcodes directly from a mobile device.
 You cannot exchange your coupons or ExtraBucks Rewards for cash or gift card. Neither coupons nor ExtraBucks
Rewards can be refunded or re‐issued.  
 Sales tax may be charged on pre‐coupon price.
 Your purchase must include qualifying items and items purchased must match the coupon description (brand, size,
quantity, color, etc.).
 Individual coupon value cannot exceed the value of the item it is applied to.
 CVS Pharmacy coupons generally cannot be used on sale, promotional or clearance items. Other restrictions may apply.   
 You can only use one time‐, brand‐, or category‐specific CVS Pharmacy coupon and one manufacturer’s coupon per
qualifying item unless prohibited by either coupon. We honor manufacturer limitations.
We have the right to refuse or limit the use of any coupon and/or the subsequent return for any reason and at the
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https://www.cvs.com/bizcontent/general/help/coupon-policy.pdf

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CVS Pharmacy® coupon policy
CVS Pharmacy coupons (ExtraCare® coupons and other store‐issued coupons), ExtraBucks® Rewards and third‐party
manufacturer’s coupons are accepted in our retail stores subject to our CVS Pharmacy coupon policy and as required by state
and local laws. A full copy of the policy is available online. Visit CVS.com/CouponPolicy for more information.  CVS Pharmacy
reserves the right to change this policy at any time without advance notice or advertisement. When accepting coupons, we
follow the guidelines below:
 All coupons must be presented during checkout, be legible and have a scannable barcode.  
 Coupons are void if copied, scanned, altered, expired, or prohibited by law.
 We reserve the right to process coupons in any order.
 Qualifying ExtraCare card must be presented at checkout to use CVS Pharmacy coupons or ExtraBucks rewards. Valid
coupons loaded to your ExtraCare card will be applied at checkout.
 We cannot scan coupon barcodes directly from a mobile device.
 You cannot exchange your coupons or ExtraBucks Rewards for cash or gift card. Neither coupons nor ExtraBucks
Rewards can be refunded or re‐issued.  
 Sales tax may be charged on pre‐coupon price.
 Your purchase must include qualifying items and items purchased must match the coupon description (brand, size,
quantity, color, etc.).
 Individual coupon value cannot exceed the value of the item it is applied to.
 CVS Pharmacy coupons generally cannot be used on sale, promotional or clearance items. Other restrictions may apply.   
 You can only use one time‐, brand‐, or category‐specific CVS Pharmacy coupon and one manufacturer’s coupon per
qualifying item unless prohibited by either coupon. We honor manufacturer limitations.
We have the right to refuse or limit the use of any coupon and/or the subsequent return for any reason and at the
discretion of CVS Pharmacy management.
Did you photoshop out the part on the bolded line where it said " especially if youre black " ?

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so was the coupon fake or not?

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so was the coupon fake or not?

Doesn't really matter if it were according to CVS own policy. They have the right to not accept it for any reason. Of course, CVS corporate isnt really saying that though are they?

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so was the coupon fake or not?


I have no idea. At the same time I do not understand how a store manager gets canned for even being wrong about that. Unless this guys and ANOTHER EMPLYOEE of some level have a prior record of write ups firing for this seems pretty sudden and drastic.

Is there any doubt really that they were fired due to a racially sensitive viral video and that is plainly bad optics?

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so was the coupon fake or not?


I have no idea. At the same time I do not understand how a store manager gets canned for even being wrong about that. Unless this guys and ANOTHER EMPLYOEE of some level have a prior record of write ups firing for this seems pretty sudden and drastic.

Is there any doubt really that they were fired due to a racially sensitive viral video and that is plainly bad optics?


They were fired because a disgruntled customer started causing a scene, then as management was reacting to the scene she began recording their actions, as though they just began doing those things to her when she presented the coupon for redemption. We don't know, and never will know, what she actually said or did before her camera began rolling.


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So a customer tries to pawn of a fake $18 coupon. Store refuses. Customer raises a stink and doesn't leave. Manager calls the cops. Manager gets fired.

Do I have this sequence right?

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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so was the coupon fake or not?


I have no idea. At the same time I do not understand how a store manager gets canned for even being wrong about that. Unless this guys and ANOTHER EMPLYOEE of some level have a prior record of write ups firing for this seems pretty sudden and drastic.

Is there any doubt really that they were fired due to a racially sensitive viral video and that is plainly bad optics?


They were fired because a disgruntled customer started causing a scene, then as management was reacting to the scene she began recording their actions, as though they just began doing those things to her when she presented the coupon for redemption. We don't know, and never will know, what she actually said or did before her camera began rolling.



You don't know that for sure and it still doesn't address wjy the police were called in the first place. If they were terminated in error they can file a lawsuit. Simple as that. Wrongful termination and a libel suit.

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so was the coupon fake or not?

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Dunno, never seen a coupon like that before. The potential problems I see are the smudging of the "CVS" printing, what appear to be ink/toner fingerprints all over the coupon (that may just be the cell phone camera and lighting), and the fact that the it says "CVS Brand" instead of "CVS Health Brand".

Of course, the workers probably received some corporate training on how to spot fake coupons, so maybe they have a few more tricks up their sleeve.


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so was the coupon fake or not?

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Dunno, never seen a coupon like that before. The potential problems I see are the smudging of the "CVS" printing, what appear to be ink/toner fingerprints all over the coupon (that may just be the cell phone camera and lighting), and the fact that the it says "CVS Brand" instead of "CVS Health Brand".

Of course, the workers probably received some corporate training on how to spot fake coupons, so maybe they have a few more tricks up their sleeve.



What happens if it turns out to be legit? You do know that management posted a statement which implied that she was discriminated against?

If she was quite comfortable with taking it to management then it is reasonable to assume that it wasn't a fake. She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.

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So a customer tries to pawn of a fake $18 coupon. Store refuses. Customer raises a stink and doesn't leave. Manager calls the cops. Manager gets fired.

Do I have this sequence right?


Coupon MIGHT be fake, but otherwise I think we are all in agreement on that sequence of events.

Without knowing whether the coupon was real or fake, it becomes a discussion of whether the manager's assessment of why the coupon was deemed fraudulent was a reasonable and logical one (smudged version of a coupon they've never seen before and havent been trained on, let'ssay), or a racist and hateful one (the coupon must be fake because this woman is black).


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So a customer tries to pawn of a fake $18 coupon. Store refuses. Customer raises a stink and doesn't leave. Manager calls the cops. Manager gets fired.

Do I have this sequence right?

Another way to look at it: This is a non story and never gets legs if the guy's hands weren't shaking like crazy.

Perhaps this guy being literally shook by an unhappy customer is proof he's not manager material?


Shit, the girl me and spmack know at the CVS next door would be laughing at this lady and say "Im on break, fuck off"

Im not saying it's right, but honestly that guy shouldn't be managing anything.


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so was the coupon fake or not?

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Dunno, never seen a coupon like that before. The potential problems I see are the smudging of the "CVS" printing, what appear to be ink/toner fingerprints all over the coupon (that may just be the cell phone camera and lighting), and the fact that the it says "CVS Brand" instead of "CVS Health Brand".

Of course, the workers probably received some corporate training on how to spot fake coupons, so maybe they have a few more tricks up their sleeve.



What happens if it turns out to be legit? You do know that management posted a statement which implied that she was discriminated against?

If she was quite comfortable with taking it to management then it is reasonable to assume that it wasn't a fake. She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.

ltg, it doesnt matter if it turns it was legit. JLN posted what CVS coupon policy is. They reserve to right not to accept it, no questions asked. Now CVS corporate is essentially saying the employees were wrong for following their rules because they terminated them . They are not backing employees following their stated policy and yeah its probably because of the social media backlash.

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so was the coupon fake or not?

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Dunno, never seen a coupon like that before. The potential problems I see are the smudging of the "CVS" printing, what appear to be ink/toner fingerprints all over the coupon (that may just be the cell phone camera and lighting), and the fact that the it says "CVS Brand" instead of "CVS Health Brand".

Of course, the workers probably received some corporate training on how to spot fake coupons, so maybe they have a few more tricks up their sleeve.



What happens if it turns out to be legit? You do know that management posted a statement which implied that she was discriminated against?

If she was quite comfortable with taking it to management then it is reasonable to assume that it wasn't a fake. She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.

ltg, it doesnt matter if it turns it was legit. JLN posted what CVS coupon policy is. They reserve to right not to accept it, no questions asked. Now CVS corporate is essentially saying the employees were wrong for following their rules because they terminated them . They are not backing employees following their stated policy and yeah its probably because of the social media backlash.

Just want to point out that businesses frequently have legal outs like that "we reserve the right to ____" but they dont actually practice it or train their employees that way.


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She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.
Oh she was? Just because she said that she was black, gave her name, and would be willing to provide ID does NOT in any way, shape, or form, mean that she was "comfortable" with potentially being arrested.

That coupon does look iffy to me. It looks similar to one of those fake ones you see on Facebook for $85 off a $100 purchase at Target or whatever.

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I'm guessing he was fired for

1) Trembling like a little bitch.
2) Not defusing the situation.
3) Calling 911 and tying up those precious resources.

Call district manager..whatever...you don't have to call 911 unless someone is getting beat down.


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so was the coupon fake or not?

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Dunno, never seen a coupon like that before. The potential problems I see are the smudging of the "CVS" printing, what appear to be ink/toner fingerprints all over the coupon (that may just be the cell phone camera and lighting), and the fact that the it says "CVS Brand" instead of "CVS Health Brand".

Of course, the workers probably received some corporate training on how to spot fake coupons, so maybe they have a few more tricks up their sleeve.



What happens if it turns out to be legit? You do know that management posted a statement which implied that she was discriminated against?

She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.


No, the statement said that CVS is opposed to discrimination in it's stores, nothing more. Their legal department would throw a shit-fit if executives wanted to release a statement outright saying that their employee discriminated against a person because of their skin color.


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If she was quite comfortable with taking it to management then it is reasonable to assume that it wasn't a fake.


Wha? No it's not reasonable to assume that.

A lot of your assumptions and presumptions seem to side with the customer in this case, taking her at her word. But why don't you take the manager at his word that (1) the coupon was fraudulent and (2) [made to the police] the woman was causing a scene and threatening employees? If he was comfortable telling the police dispatcher that the woman was threatening employees, isn't it reasonable to assume he's telling the truth?


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Just want to point out that businesses frequently have legal outs like that "we reserve the right to ____" but they dont actually practice it or train their employees that way.


And they're also not enforceable for a variety of reasons in a multitude of situations. "For any reason" would include the reasoning that a customer's skin color should preclude them from using coupons in the store, which we know is universally unlawful.


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She also was quite comfortable with being arrested too.
Oh she was? Just because she said that she was black, gave her name, and would be willing to provide ID does NOT in any way, shape, or form, mean that she was "comfortable" with potentially being arrested.

That coupon does look iffy to me. It looks similar to one of those fake ones you see on Facebook for $85 off a $100 purchase at Target or whatever.



She was comfortable with it because she waited for the police to arrive. She didn't believe she'd done anything wrong and thus she was comfortable with being arrested. People that believe they might go to jail tend to avoid the police.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 am 
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She may have thought it was a legit coupon. I don't think it is, and I don't think she was discriminated against. That's what's being spun, I don't think that's right.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Just want to point out that businesses frequently have legal outs like that "we reserve the right to ____" but they dont actually practice it or train their employees that way.

Oh I'm almost certain thats what it is. As you know, I work for one of those places. " Heres what we tell the customers our policy is, heres what we actually want you to do and you if do it the way our policy states and we get backlash we'll still discipline you and leave it up to you to grieve it through the union. " . Its corporate cover our ass mode . We reserve to the right to say you handled it wrong no matter what. Seen it MANY times .

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