They can turn to private charities; those still exist

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Not to sound terribly insensitive but is it my responsibility to make sure everyone eats with money we give them?

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I don't know. People like food and need it to live. I'm sure it would be one of the first things people budget for under a UBI, but if there's that big a concern that it'll go to durgz instead (probably valid in many parts of the country), then you could designate a portion of monthly income as only being spendable on food -- SNAP for all, I guess you could say.

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Yep somehow you will always have those that refuse to help themselves. For whatever reason people of all stripes can take any amount of help, money or other assistance and completely waste it. Then they ask for more.

I guess that means you do not do anything because of that but it sure is frustrating to the rest of the population.

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Elections have consequences.

I don't think it's your responsibility, but I do think it's in your best interest.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

They tried a similar thing with the school lunch program. If your household income was lower than a certain point, schools had to provide free school lunches to kids as well as a snack after school before their parents or guardians picked them up. These were "good" healthy meals as designed by the program. Guess what? The majority of the kids threw them away because they didn't like "good" meals. They'd rather eat junk. So a ton of good food got tossed and the cost of the meals was significant.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Seven o'clock, pluckin' roaches out the cereal box
Some shared the same spoon, watchin' Saturday cartoons
Sugar water was our thing, every meal was no frill
In the summer, free lunch held us down like steel

I believe I heard a soundbite on WGN News this morning where he said of course the city can't afford something like this and that they're looking to do this via philanthropic endeavors, so some of you can perhaps rest your sphincters for the time being.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I'm actually serious in my assertion that if we are going to have some sort of welfare program, then a NIT should be implemented and every other welfare program should be canceled in its place. I suggest reading Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom, published in 1962. At least read chapter 12 as that is where he addresses it (although the rest of the book is fantastic as well)

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That you're phrasing it as "if we're going to have some sort of welfare" already implies that you'd prefer not to have anything at all. Why should I believe in it if you don't?

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Maybe you are right. But either side of government really would not want to give up either the control of what people do with the money or the benefits to them of giving money out.

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Elections have consequences.

Of course the proponents of UBI want it in conjunction with the rest of our behemoth welfare state. Of course this would fail is a recipe for fiscal collapse and hyperinflation.

That is why I'm very strict on saying any form of UBI must and I mean MUST be accompanied by a total repeal of all other welfare programs. If anything, this would improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the system without increasing our debt load.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I'm a dullard, but I shall put it on the 'to-read' short list and see what I can glean from it.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

You obviously have never been in a grocery store that caters to SNAP customers on the days when benefits are distributed.
You are constantly approached by people willing to sell you their SNAP for cash at as low as 50cents on the dollar so they can get other things.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Chas is right.

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Right, so the only prudent thing is to let them starve.

Why not do then what President Trump wanted to do and give them food? You know like back in the day govt cheese and stuff?

I am not saying that. I am saying that people are being given help, they are just misusing it grossly.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Mmmm....maybe, but starving them is cheaper in the long and short run.

Come on man. I been at the poverty level. It is real hard to starve unless you want to . Food pantries,free meals and SNAP .
You are not going to be eating steak and lobster but you won't be starving. If you are not eating ,it is your own fault.
And before Crest jumps in. When I was getting help at the Salvation Army in return I was helping out distributing the boxes as well as the Christmas program and when they would go out and pass out food and blankets to the homeless.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Im just fucking around, chas.

Okay, fine. You're not a super capable person. I don't hate you for that. You do the best you can. Why hate the guy who is starving? Would it be fair for Kylie Jenner to consider Dr. Ken a weak piece of shit because his bonus was a meager 6 figures this year?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Not saying that Joe.
What I am saying is that if you can not find something to eat in this country ,you are not looking.
This country is messed up in a lot of ways. We want everyone to be equal but no one wants to work to get the same amount of stuff others have. It used to be called the American Dream, you know work hard. Save up get married buy a house have some kids and some nice things. Not no more. Now people just want shit given to them. SOmeone should ask Whole Foods for the numbers on the store in Englewood and see how it is doing. This protesting things that are going on,they want people to be uncomfortable and to know what is going on where they live. Chicago knows,it is on the news every night,hell the President mentions it anytime he needs to distract people from something that is blowing up on him.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I'm sorry, but imo Milton Friedman and his Chicago boys have a lot to blame with the world's economic woes & political instability and shouldn't be taken seriously. The damage they did starting in Chile, here in the 80's and in Yeltsin's Russia showed how cynical the underpinnings are for the fraud known as classical libertarianism.

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The problem is if they did something like this and gave this money away to people, a lot of them would simply blow it all away and you would still have the situation that we have now only worse. Then some more liberals would insist on other welfare programs to take care of these "poor unfortunates" .

What has become lost on many people is the notion of people actually taking control of their lives and making a better life for themselves. Namely having personal responsibility.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Yep. It is out of control in California. The notion that the recipients of this free unearned money would be used in any kind of a positive way is naïve and silly.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

No, the "right" thing to do is to force able bodied people to work for a living and only to take people on welfare of any kind that genuinely need help. Helping truly needy people is a noble and good thing. But giving people free money to go out and buy drugs and booze and gamble away or spend foolishly is dumb.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

But who defines "needy"? And what to do when millions of jobs are automated?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Why do you insult this guy? That was a cheap shot. It is an accident of birth mainly why one person has a pretty clear road to success and another must avoid mine-fields. And where did he say anything about hating someone who is starving. First of all, who is starving in the US? You almost have to have a death wish to starve in this country. Truth is that the most pitiful person in the US lives like a king compared to people in Africa and South America. Give me a break.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

i had to read that book in my college course for liberalism/conservatism. had to read arthur okum too. i think they belonged in college courses. outside of that, i don't see the philosophies that useful in an economy like ours.

There is a program here in the QCA that you get 2 bags of groceries if you are needy but you need to put in a set amount of hours per month in work. Like cleaning up the streets and such. When the New Deal started that was a major component of the plan, It was tied to doing something for your aid. It was not until the 60s that it was removed.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"