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I give Sowell a tad bit more sway than you but i never lose sight of the fact that he is beholden to his benefactors as most black Conservatives are. They are the opposite side of the "race hustler" coin though MANY conservatives fail to see it that way.


Bingo!

And you're exactly on point about the dismissive, and therefore hollow nature of his writings.

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I give Sowell a tad bit more sway than you but i never have lost sight of the fact that he is beholden to his benefactors as most black Conservatives are. They are the opposite side of the "race hustler" coin though MANY conservatives fail to see it this way.


That's an interesting take, and I see what you mean.

I always wondered about the motivation of black conservatives. Meaning, do they really see the world the way I do? Or are they just the equivalent of a hot take in that it helps them break through the crowd and be so different, allowing them to get ahead of others. In my heart, I always hoped that they just see that limited government is the best approach. And now conservative doesn't even mean limited, fiscally balanced government.


It amazes me how the definition and MANY have publicly gone so far off the rails. Two years ago, the board was filled with cries of how Hillary was going to explode the deficit and debt with the entitlement programs she was going to attempt to enact, yet here we are and {crickets}.

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Crickets!? :lol:

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trump here.

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Crickets!? :lol:

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trump here.


No shit. Kirkwood is menstruating all over the politics section.

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Crickets!? :lol:

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trump here.


Certainly not those anti-Hillary/Dems will spend the country to hell types on those formerly bedrock conservative issues.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.


Hard to disagree.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


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And that's when I stopped reading.


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.


Hard to disagree.

Pretty easy if you try.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.


Thats what rpb just said, you dumb fuck.

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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.


Thats what rpb just said, you dumb fuck.

I'm not attacking the messenger. I'm attacking the message, and that's a dumb fuck message.

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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.


Thats what rpb just said, you dumb fuck.


No it isn't.

He said if black conservatives are speaking for themselves saying "I'm not a victim", it's bullshit to tag them as being beholden.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

I just think people should speak for themselves and their own situation.

I've been guilty of the opposite in the past though, so a little hypocritical on my part.


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

I just think people should speak for themselves and their own situation.

I've been guilty of the opposite in the past though, so a little hypocritical on my part.


Don't feel bad.

leash has had trouble lately. An SNL skit was too sophisticated for him.

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leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

I just think people should speak for themselves and their own situation.

I've been guilty of the opposite in the past though, so a little hypocritical on my part.


Don't feel bad.

leash has had trouble lately. An SNL skit was too sophisticated for him.


He just admitted that's what he said. I accept your apology.

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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.


Thats what rpb just said, you dumb fuck.

Not at all.

Ill make it even clearer.

Black conservative: im not a victim = A-Ok

Black conservative: Im not a victim and no black person is = not really their place

Extend that to every group. I dont speak for all great looking white men, FF doesn't speak for all Packers fans, Reader doesnt speak for all black people, etc


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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.

Ok but its alright for the other side to say "I'm victim and so are all of you!"?


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.


Another generalized i.e. stereotypical way to look at it. They will never cease for some. You can hold both groups accountable. How about that? The problem arises from the ignorance involved to be honest.

Let me provide an example. Last week there were two posters i.e. "lying sacks of shit" who suggested that I was promoting racism against whites and as an example they quoted something in which I stated "Bridgeport was a haven for white racism". The Bridge where the Dan Ryan Expressway was literally created so that blacks living in what was known as the black belt could be divided from whites living in Bridgeport. How is it racist to point that out?

It is frankly difficult to have honest conversations if your premise is "black people are trash". That is a stereotypical, prejudiced, and racist way to view blacks.

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America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

I just think people should speak for themselves and their own situation.

I've been guilty of the opposite in the past though, so a little hypocritical on my part.


Don't feel bad.

leash has had trouble lately. An SNL skit was too sophisticated for him.


He just admitted that's what he said. I accept your apology.

First I thought it was a problem with reading comprehension, now Im starting to think it might be that you just cant read at all?


Anyone can have any opinion they want. This is America. Unlike those who say Love it or Leave it depending on a person's words.

But one individual doesnt get to speak for an entire group of people's personal experience. They can opine, but it really carries very little weight.


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leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

I just think people should speak for themselves and their own situation.

I've been guilty of the opposite in the past though, so a little hypocritical on my part.


Don't feel bad.

leash has had trouble lately. An SNL skit was too sophisticated for him.


He just admitted that's what he said. I accept your apology.


I won't require an apology.

I'm a better person.

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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.

Ok but its alright for the other side to say "I'm victim and so are all of you!"?

No, definitely not. And I'd even go as far as to say that's worse than the reverse.


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.


Yep. Can't have an opinion on things unless you're the right color.

:lol: Stop crying about this so much. You certainly can hold whatever opinion you like. It amazes me how much people on both sides love to play the victim. Shut the fuck up already.


Thats what rpb just said, you dumb fuck.

Not at all.

Ill make it even clearer.

Black conservative: im not a victim = A-Ok

Black conservative: Im not a victim and no black person is = not really their place

Extend that to every group. I dont speak for all great looking white men, FF doesn't speak for all Packers fans, Reader doesnt speak for all black people, etc


You're misrepresenting their arguments. Do you think Larry Elder has ever said that no black has ever been a victim? Of course he hasn't. He has said that blacks in today's society are not victims solely because of their skin color. Whether you agree or not, he has a right to say that.

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The Bridge where the Dan Ryan Expressway was literally created so that blacks living in what was known as the black belt could be divided from whites living in Bridgeport. How is it racist to point that out?

Borders are not racist.


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The issue with the culture that I described in the OP is on full display here. If you are black and reject victimhood, or even hold some conservative ideals, then you're just beholden to white benefactors.

If they speak only for themselves, that's bullshit. If they're saying, Im not a victim and no other (insert whatever group) person is either, that's not really their place.

Ok but its alright for the other side to say "I'm victim and so are all of you!"?

No, definitely not.

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Let me provide an example. Last week there were two posters i.e. "lying sacks of shit" who suggested that I was promoting racism against whites and as an example they quoted something in which I stated "Bridgeport was a haven for white racism". The Bridge where the Dan Ryan Expressway was literally created so that blacks living in what was known as the black belt could be divided from whites living in Bridgeport. How is it racist to point that out?


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You're misrepresenting their arguments. Do you think Larry Elder has ever said that no black has ever been a victim? Of course he hasn't. He has said that blacks in today's society are not victims solely because of their skin color. Whether you agree or not, he has a right to say that.

He has a right to say whatever he wants. He can say that he's 40 feet tall, doesn't mean it carries any weight or is legitimate in any way.

There are definitely some blacks that are victims because of their skin color. And....surprise! there are also whites who are victims because of their skin color. And there are women who are victims because of their gender.

That doesnt mean ALL blacks, whites, or women. That's the whole point, you cant group these things together as one.


If he's saying on average, instances of black people being victims of their skin color is way down compared to the past, that I would agree with.


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