And honestly Denis if you look at the history of black radicalism in this country most black radicals were actually promoters of the very same "self help" techniques that white Conservatives often espouse. Booker T. Washington was a self help enthusiast though he did seek out his fair share of white benefactors. From Booker T. to Martin Delany to Marcus Garvey to Malcolm X there have been any number of black self help proponents. Hell Jeremiah Wright is a black self help enthusiast as well. Black Panthers whom someone on here once referred to as a "terrorist group", were also proponents of it

Often times however your black self help advocates are criticized by Conservatives for being "race baiters" and "agitators". Ironic how that works. Paradoxically speaking the very same people that complain about blacks not "wanting to do for themselves" then turn and bash those blacks that do wish to do for themselves.

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when blm massacres more police officers i'll be sure to remember that they are just using self-help techniques

You don't have a clue about what I'm talking about. Unsurprisingly so I might add.
You don't even have a clue about the members of BLM either. When you start attributing the attack on the autistic child to black lives matters then you demonstrate a tremendous degree of ignorance.

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What else would he be saying, RPB? Do you think all of these guys are saying that literally NO blacks are victims in any way in the whole world for any reason? Is that really your takeaway?

He's saying that, by and large, blacks aren't victims in America due solely to their skin color. But in your quest to show how open-minded you are, you have tried to delegitimize any opinion which seeks to make generalizations about a group of people. What if I told you that black people have a history of being treated poorly in this country? Would you tell me that it's "not my place" to say that and that there may have been individual black people who were treated fine? Because then you're making the argument you made fun of WfR for last week.

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I would appreciate if you two tutti fruttis left ME out of this. This board needs a leader! Not Regular Reader.

terrorism has taken a new form. people are seldom card carrying members of terror groups like they were in the days of AQ, LTTE etc.

now what happens is isis and blm use their social media stage to enrage people, with a little wink that "oh it sure would be HORRIBLE if something happened to these police officers! ;)" and then watch the sparks fly as individuals come up with their own attacks. almost like franchisees, but with more autonomy. blm has very clearly modeled its behavior after isis, right down to the destroying statues and erasing history.

So glad we have this kind of insight back. The masses were demanding it.

Hmm, I never looked at it that way.

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Let's look at the way two "epidemics" involving the way drugs were handled by "Conservatives" in this country. Crack and Opium. When the crack epidemic took shape in this country the solution was to criminalize. With the Opium epidemic the solution is to provide "treatment". How is there is a similarity?

Another thing the use of generalization is a deflection and disingenuous. Everything isn't an all or nothing proposition. I notice that you WFR and America use a lot of that as a means of presenting. "No" "All" "Every".

That is a dishonest way to discuss the topic.

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Folks! Folks! The Long Gay Man and his Reader DO NOT speak for the Black Conservatives!

I know I am an idiot because I keep laughing at these stupid mults.

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What are your views on the murderous act committed by Dylan Roof in South Carolina? Was that an example of terrorism also?

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Well then he should say that instead, much clearer.


There is no quest. Im just honest with what I believe and how I view things. I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

But those two things you pointed out are not equal.

There are facts we can all agree on showing blacks have been mistreated in the past.

If he has factual evidence that no black people are victims of skin color, id love to see it.

If he has factual evidence that by and large they are not victims, Id love to see that and would agree.

There is really no good justification for him phrasing it as an all-encompassing statement and I understand if someone who was the victim of racism would not be really thrilled to hear this guy say it that way.

Also, you get upset when people generalize Trump voters or southerners, so Im going to have to ask you to pick a lane on whether generalizations are good or not.

I say not.

sure. but the media doesn't present the people who influenced roof to commit his attack as heroes. contrary to what you are led to believe, neo-nazi's and the kkk have not been invited for a friendly sit down with trump.

blm on the other hand...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ice-system

To be fair I'm skimming more of them than not, but I'm having a difficult time finding something in RPB's posts that is out of order.

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- Henry George

Well, there is ZERO equivalency between BLM and neo nazis, so I fail to see your point.

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So you are saying that BLM is equivalent to Neo Nazis and the KKK? The extensive and sordid history of BLM leads you to believe this?

Also the actual act is only relevant if we look at who first pumped him up to commit the act?

With that in mind how do you look at the comments "Good people on both sides comment by Trump" isn't that particular comment a celebration of those that commit such acts as well?

How about the pardon that he granted for the xenophobic sheriff in Arizona? isn't that a celebration too?

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the only reason you say that is media brainwashing that "white = bad, black = good"

You knew that was complete bullshit even as you were typing it. You know full damn well I'm not a white = bad guy. I'm also not so weak and impressionable that I start hating black people just because there are white = bad people out there.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Another stereotype.

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That literally is what he says. I don't know how you could listen to Larry Elder or anyone speak and draw the conclusion that they are saying no person in the world is ever a victim of anything at any time. And that's exactly what you're saying. You're just drawing the conclusions you want to in order to make a bad faith argument.

The question of whether his argument is a good one or not is not what I'm discussing. I'm not trying to advance his arguments. I'm showing you how ridiculous it is to say that anyone at any time for any reason should be told it's not their "place" to make an observation unless they are literally trying to give the perspective of someone they are not. But that's not what they're doing. They're making statements about groups of people that do not require them to have been those people in order to make the statements.

For example, I could tell you that Jews were treated horribly during the Holocaust. I could not, however, tell you what their perspective was. Larry Elder can tell you his opinion that blacks, by and large, are not victims due to their skin color anymore. The only thing he wouldn't have a "place" saying would be to try to describe the perspective of another black person. But that doesn't mean that we all just get to declare whether we are victims or not based on our own subjective experience. His conclusions are drawn from arguments that he makes... and Larry Elder makes them very well.

There is a difference between generalizing people based on some quality they possess ("all Trump voters are racist!") and the condition they live in ("Black people primarily live in urban areas"). It's a false equivalency.

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America is playing all the hits on his comeback tour today. Maybe his side project Dignified Rube can login and wax poetic on Dan Fouts.

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How are crack addicts criminals if people addicted to opium are not?

How can there be 2 different sentence for the same offense? (possession of cocaine)

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Who are you arguing with?

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honestly, like i said, the better comparison for blm is isis. the way they both use tolerance and multiculturalism as a shield from under which they can attack western civilization is very similar. ideologically too. blm and isis do not exist on the fringe the way similarly violent white supremacist groups do (and I do not use the term white supremacist as blithely as the media and left does). muslims and blm members are invited to participate in the system in ways that their counterparts are not.

BLM doesn't seem to have a coherent vision. At this point it's a loose collection of people with various objectives. Sort of like the two major political parties.

Speaking of BLM, in Evanston along with the SAVE HARLEY CLARKE signs you will often see a BLACK LIVES MATTER sign on a lawn. It always makes me laugh when I see such a sign on one of the mansions near the lakefront. Yeah, black lives matter- just make sure they stay over on Pitner or Florence. That yard sign can't disguise your obvious uber-capitalist bourgeois values.

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Wow, sweep them all with a generalization like that!!

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That makes at least two of us then.

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rpb: I'm a reasonable guy. In fact, everywhere I go, people say to me: "rpb, you are a reasonable fucking guy"
Am I right, Peeps?

Peeps: You are reasonable, Byron.

rpb: Yes. Yes, I am. And because Peeps knows me to be reasonable he came in here a couple weeks ago and reasoned with me.
Right, Peeps? We reasoned.

Peeps: We did.

rpb: We reasoned that despite his south of I-80 upbringing and a propensity garage rain watching, leashyourkids is a good poster.
Probably worth reading.

I don't think you use the word white supremacist much at all. In your mind no such thing exists. They are merely "defenders of traditional American values".

Similar in the way that slaveowners thought they were defending "traditional" Southern/American values too. Mind you I have probably taken shits that had lasted longer than their "traditional" American values at that point.

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