It has become crystal clear that you can't have someone disagree with you without you thinking they're attacking you. Not sure if it's a complex or what. LTG and I are having a civil conversation and yet you somehow view it as me attacking him. Rather than joining the debate, you jump in and post some ridiculous shit about my posting volume. I don't think there's any helping you, though. There are dozens of threads on this board confirming that you are the worst poster on the board, and you still don't give it any self-reflection. Or maybe you do and just don't know how to interact with other human beings. Either way, it's not my problem. I'm going to go back to having a discussion with posters who are capable of doing so.

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No one receives more handouts than rich wealthy white men. Let me count the ways. The notion that they don't receive handouts is simply fallacious. If you bothered to read the article that i linked you will see how prevalent racism still happens to be in America.

Also for years Conservatives have argued (falsely) that Affirmative Action is destroying the black community. If that is the case then why is there a need to "roll it back"?

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You are an angry angry man. Is that why you had this political AWAKENING? You have to become a Republican because your life is miserable?

Politics stops at the lot line's edge.

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I'm not really gonna argue with that, but I will quibble a little, as a substantial chunk of these wealthy people are not white. They might as well be, though.

Just the Polish....I mean cmon

Still waiting or someone to help you cross the street? Most wealthy people got that way by working their asses off and taking huge risks. Daffodils like you and Bernie boy want to claim the crap that you just stated. Your statement about prevalent racism still happening in America is true. But most of it is racism towards the white citizen and not anyone else.

It is time for the black community to have a set of balls and work harder to achieve a better destiny instead of waiting for some other race to do it for them.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I think that I am well off. I am white. Exactly what "handout" did I and people like me receive? Did I get something that any Hispanic or black person didn't receive? The freeking fact is that minorities receive more handouts from the government than white people do. Affirmative action, food stamps, welfare, housing subsidies, et al. All set records in the minority communities under Obama.
Now we have a president finally that understands that these programs are not meant as a way of life but as a life-vest. And that it is the overall economy that solves most problems. It appears that the Democratic leaders do not like for their minions to achieve economic success because if they have it, they LOSE CONTROL over the handouts and therefore lose their control of them when it comes to the ballot.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

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Those articles are about tax reform at best. To say they are racial is pretty ridiculous.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Reason and logic are good things. You only seem to only want to play identity politics- such as saying that you only like "black conservatives". What you don't get is that the race of the people saying things does not matter. Nor should it. It's about the ideas. To say you only like that type of black person is stupid, and it's said to avoid discussing the facts and idea. So is saying things like "feeling warm and fuzzy," which is meaningless.

Coates is all about saying things like we need to "come to grip" about what happened post slavery. And that nothing like that happened anywhere else in the world. Both of these things are certainly debatable. Even the average student knows that blacks were not treated well in the country for a long time. It's a national religion, and something that you can't avoid. What I don't know is if that's a net positive.

As for post-slavery, it's been nearly 50 years of welfare and affirmative action. These do not seem to be working as intended. I am not saying to eliminate them, but both systems should be examined and fixed. And there should be massive change to criminal justice and the legal systems. But even with all of that you are not going to see much change in outcomes without a change in culture. I don't know how you or Coates can dispute that or say that racism is the sole cause of poor outcomes.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Spoken like a man with a reallly bad ability to comprehend. The discrediting and immediate dismissal of any and everything that contradicts your narrative and overall worldview is what is "ridiculous".

Subsidization is welfare. Everyone knows it. Everyone except you of course. Rich white men are the primary beneficiaries of it. Welfare for rich white men far exceeds that for black "welfare queens" or blacks in general.

Since you seem to be unaware of what a subsidy happens to be let me make it easy for you.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subsidize

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How is Affirmative Action not "working in the way it was intended"?

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That's just a ridiculous response. The tax code benefits the rich no one disputes that. Do you think Michael Jordan doesn't take advantage of it? I've never said anything about welfare queens. You are not making a bit of sense.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/dec/20 ... e-sander20



If you force students to compete with people who have a stronger academic background you are placing them in a poor condition to complete. Additionally, if you tell black students doing 70 percent as well is just a good for you it's creating an atmosphere that says you don't have to work as hard, while creating a stigma that blacks got there because they did not earn it.

I would not recommend totally dumping affirmative action, but I would not give any benefits to middle class or rich black students for example. I would base it on socio-economic.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Dude you are having difficulty comprehending. That is why i provided a definition of subsidization to help you out.

Subsidization has little to do with tax reform

Secondly nothing you have said addresses the point that rich white men are the prime beneficiaries of handouts.

Once again you try to reshape the argument to mean "only". Same tactic each and every time.

Since you are playing the standard game of absolutism that you like to play then i will indulge you just this once.

Do you think blacks are the Only people committing crimes?

How about the Onlyones receiving welfare?


How about the "Only" ones dropping out school?

Are they the Only ones having children out of wedlock?

See how that works.

Primary doesn't mean only. Worst doesn't mean only.


Everything doesn't have to be generalized and henceforth oversimplified.

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Quite being condensing when you have zero reason to be. The examples that you provided have to do with the tax system. Read the articles you posted.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

A subsidy no matter how it is administered is a handout.

The definition of subsidy literally says that. Unless you can prove how a subsidy is not a handout then I'm discontinuing the conversation.

If Rich white men are the primary beneficiaries of subsidies then they are the primary beneficiaries of handouts.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/corporate-welfare

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Mad respect to both of you for getting in the mud on a Sunday morning at 6.

LTG, I think you can remove the "white" from your statement. There are unfair subsidies for rich people in general. And I don't think anyone is in favor of crony capitalism.

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This has nothing to do with race other than you screaming rich white men. And read the article you posted how many times is tax mentioned. What are "subsidies" that you mention? Tax breaks.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You aren't making sense. Tax breaks are a form of corporate welfare. Corporate welfare overwhelmingly favors rich white men. You won't see it that way no matter what.

There are also other forms of welfare besides that.

Since you cannot explain how subsidization isn't a handout nor can you explain how rich white men aren't the prime beneficiaries of said handout then have a good one.

By the way white women have also been the beneficiary of Affirmative Action too. Funny how you and other Conservative types neglect to mention that. You probably didn't know that so i will give you a pass.

It somehow is always portrayed as something that only benefits blacks when in fact white women have also benefitted from it too.

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I hoop on Sunday mornings so it is right in my wheelhouse.

Here is my point. I never said they were the only beneficiaries of it. They are the primary beneficiaries of it however.

Blacks aren't the only beneficiaries of Affirmative Action either yet no one has ever had a problem with the notion that it is a race based program.

There aren't a lot of blacks that benefit from corporate welfare.

If i say that corporate welfare overwhelmingly favors rich white men then that is a fact.

Blacks aren't the primary beneficiaries of welfare. Rich white men are and for me to say that is factual and i haven't heard one thing that disproves it.

Only way it can be disproven is if the notion that subsidization is welfare is disproven.

It can't be.

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This is pure incoherence. I said I am am against corporate welfare. I don't see it as a racial issue. As for affirmative action, you are addressing none of the points raised, and instead playing some identity politics game. I don't think white women should get benefits just for being female. As I said I would base it on economics. I am not sure what you think your are arguing.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

How is subsidization not welfare? If you answer that then i will explain perfectly what i am talking about. If you can't then i'm done.

Simply saying something is "ridiculous" and "incoherent" doesn't mean it is and failing to provide context makes you look somewhat foolish.

My points on this are very clear.

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You points are not clear. They are disorganized and largely incoherent. I said I am against corporate welfare. It's in the post. What the fuck else do you want me to say about it?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You points are not clear. They are disorganized and largely incoherent. I said I am against corporate welfare. It's in the post. What the fuck else do you want me to say about it?[/quote]


What i would like you to say and do the next time that you bash blacks for taking and depending on handouts is to simply realize that the money received by them from it is mere crumbs compared to those that really benefit.


There are people out here that have been subsidized more in a year than what Michael Jordan earns in a year or happens to be worth for that matter.

If we are going to disengage from government then blacks shouldn't be the only ones doing the disengaging.

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You points are not clear. They are disorganized and largely incoherent. I said I am against corporate welfare. It's in the post. What the fuck else do you want me to say about it?[/quote]


Want to address the incoherent portion because you do this a lot.

How is saying that whites are the primary beneficiaries of welfare an "incoherent point"?

How is saying that subsidization is welfare an "incoherent point"?

How is saying that Affirmative Action was beneficial for blacks an "incoherent point"?


How is saying that blacks weren't the only ones that benefitted from Affirmative Action an "incoherent point"?

There is clarity and coherence in each one of those statements but because you can't effectively address them you choose to resort to deflections.

Saying that subsidies are about tax reform is sort of what's ridiculous. Subsidies can encompass many things but in the end they are a form of handout from gov't to business. It is what they are and its not going to be redefined simply because you wan't to redefine it.

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I have never seen anyone do that on this board, certainly not WFR. That's really bad faith "argument" right there.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is why I say your points are disorganized. Disengage from the government is a very vague statement that could mean almost anything. In this instance it supposedly means end handouts. When I say welfare is not working as intended it means that there was not supposed be a permanent class of people receiving benefits in perpetuity. It was supposed to be uplifting and temporary. Affirmative action is the same thing. It was meant to uplift people not become a necessary crutch.

Corporate handouts have nothing to do with either other than the label of welfare, which is mostly a marketing term. The handouts are usually given in the form of tax breaks for the promise of bringing jobs to the area. The other examples you cited were tax breaks for luxury items. I don't see this asp;'. related to race in anyway or really related to the first argument in anything other than a broad reformation of how our society works. That's really the argument that most people seem to want to have when discussing these things, but they don't actually want to get into that debate (ending capitalism). So they make up some argument about how unfair society is, while pulling in massive fees to do talks at gloried cocktail parties. The last part is a shot at Coates - just to keep things clear.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?