Not sure it's possible, but somehow, you'd have to break up or diminish the power of these gangs.

I mean when you have gangs or people funding them with enough power to pay off politicians to maintain the murderous status quo...I dont know what can be done.

I doubt many know what can be done. Which makes it odd to blame people. RICO was necessary to get the mafia to some degree. Someone needs to think outside the box.

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Elections have consequences.

The courts let them all out.

I think part of every protest is "recognize our pain," and I have to say that the leaders of this protest have got my attention. Definitely.

It bugs me, though, that they want to "spread the pain" because I know I'm barely hanging on and I'm tired of the "white male = easiest game level" bullshit. Now that I am 47, I can add "old" to that. And my response is go to blazes. It reminds me of what Van Jones said the night Trump was elected. And I realize the difference between individual racism and structural racism, but I think the leaders of this march are exploiting the differences, too.

I think that's their response, too.

What you call a dilemma.

So I guess I do support them. But, like BLM, can they get someone to help them not occasionally be so counter-productive? If it's sposed to mean Black Lives Matter, Too, call it that!

But I think you do realize that incessant questioning that doesn't really go anywhere is a common tactic of people who "want to use logic and reason to come to a rational conclusion in the grand marketplace of ideas" but end up sounding like four-year-olds. Or Ben Shapiro, who can pass for a four-year-old.

"Why are they doing this?"
"Because they want to draw attention to police brutality against blacks."
"But why? Why are they doing it like this?"
"So people will be more likely to notice."
"But why, though?"
"Because civil disobedience has to be disruptive to be effective."
"Why does it have to be disruptive?"
"ahhh"
"Why can't you answer my questions? I'm just asking questions. It sounds like you need to work on your ideas."
"You're being an idiot."
"That is an ad hominem and it means I won."

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That is only a small part of this march today, or so I've read.

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If an addle-brained Mormon idiot like Glenn Beck can grasp the semantics of "Black Lives Matter," anyone can. Jesus Christ, they're not called "Kill Whitey."

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Chicago police have jurisdiction over Lake Shore Drive. Not that protest organizers are looking for permission from police or City Hall — they’re critics of both. And they’ve been adamant they’ll march on Lake Shore Drive and are prepared to be arrested.

“Honestly, when a mayor endorses a protest, it’s no longer a protest,” said the Rev. Ira Acree, of the West Side’s Greater St. John Bible Church. He is among the march organizers. “It becomes a parade, and we’re on serious business.”

Win George Soros' Money is name of game. MANY know how to play this.
Beats working and may pay better.

#fite4quince

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"Change has come to Amerika."- TFG

This makes absolutely zero sense. First, Chicago is practically a war zone. Police brutality is so far down on the list of problems in poor communities, it's barely worth mentioning. This is akin to the argument about gun control. You've seen the media rev up the animosity so much that things that are statistically insignificant are seen as national crises.

So, with that said, violent crimes in the poor inner city absolutely is a real problem. But who isn't aware of that? Chicago is like a punch line when talking about gun violence. Do you think anyone here or anywhere wouldn't wave a magic wand and make it go away if they could? To be taken seriously, there needs to be a goal. Why is that too much to ask? I agree it's a serious fucking problem. Gun violence in Chicago absolutely IS statistically significant, but what are they proposing?

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An addendum to that, I've seen people say that one of the goals of these marches is that they want the Mayor and/or Terry Johnson to resign.

Is them being gone going to fix all of the problems? Will it fix any?

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Maybe they just want to say hey you rich people we live here too and it is not awesome like your gated fucking house by Lane Tech!

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Elections have consequences.

The point isn't to have whites stop committing crime. The point is to hopefully have whites take notice of the crimes committed in black communities. The hope is that people will not simply look at it as "their" "other" people's problems.

It is all of our problems if you are a citizen of Chicago.

I honestly don't agree with the premise because i think the focus should be more internalized but i also don't think it is completely pointless either.

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Not really.

As Dan Bernstein told the Texas phone operator who asked him how bad Chicago was "Not bad at all, just have to avoid certain neighborhoods"


And personally, Ill admit Im in the Bernstein camp on that. A soccer coach was shot while driving through Robbins (2 towns over from my house) a few months back. My first thought was not "how can I help make Robbins safer" it was "it's going to be inconvenient for me to not use 135th street, but I guess I cant now"


So I agree with what you say about internalized. No one is going to help from the outside in any significant way. Its going to have to be like 95% the people IN those neighborhoods.


Last weekend one of the girls I coached and her mom took part in a Walk Against Violence in Robbins. I applauded them, but no one really noticed or cared, so I see why they WANT to branch out, but it's futile.

That is the point. If they conduct the march on 105th and State or 63rd and Lowe no one notices. No one cares. It would be considered a "black people problem" and inconvenience. I'm not naive enough to think that it still will not be considered that but you make the attempt anyway.

If the worst thing that happens is it that it makes someone's commute home longer then so be it.

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Same day as a major music fest on the same street.Guy was on Radio talking yesterday. Same old song and dance, money money money. Nothing about taking responsibility for the shit going on. It is all everyone else fault.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I haven't read much of this but if this hasn't previously been said in regards to the protest: Cubs suck and deserved to be protested.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Every other protest has had little to no effect on violence in the inner city so apparently more people knowing about the problem can change things? Violence/crime in Chicago is certainly not white on black nor black on white, it's black on black. This is more about political leaders grandstanding and getting their corrupt, dishonest mugs on TV.

Unless this protest gets black men to stop spreading their seed around like a 747 dropping fire retardant on a California wildfire, it will have zero impact. Children are not meant to be raised by one parent, typically a mother. It's probably not a coincidence that most violent crime is committed by African Americans and less than 30% of AA children are being raised by two parents.

The black population has the most births out of wedlock but there won't be any major thoroughfares being block with this message.

Oh for fuck's sake with the moral high ground shit.

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Who gives a shit? I know MANY single/divorced parents that are way better parents than married couples.

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Drugs are their biggest source of income. Legalize. Then some sort of outreach so they trust the police. Hell create a task force that is majority black/latino and do real community policing to build up some trust.

I've also thought their should be some sort of national service that's Peace Core like inside this country if you are not joining the military or going to college that gets youth to a different part of the country to work and meet different people.

Those would be my suggestions. But there has to be a major cultural change inside the community to go through official channels rather than personal retribution.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Update bothside of LSD will be shut down as of 345 from Irving to Belmont

A small off shoot protest has started already at Jackson and Western.

CPD is prepared at Wrigley in case they try to force way in with Mounted units,Rev has alluded they may try.
The protesters asked the Lolla performers to join them in protest and not preform today.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

The last couple of CPD task force that have been made up of Black/Hispanic ,well the majority of them guys are now in court for working with the gangs or shaking them down.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I thank you for not letting America be the only idiot for going around thinking like this.

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Solid ideas, but it's all we can do to get MEDICAL weed legalized, so I have my doubts about the heroin.

There is an inherent problem with attempting to change it from within. The interpersonal bonds between people in the community is simply stronger than the bonds that they have with law enforcement. The trust level is stronger as well. That is why community policing is difficult. In order to implement effective community policing strategies a person may have to report on their best friend or relative. They may have to snitch on a fellow gang member. Even if you are not a criminal you may have grown up with criminals. If the crime doesn't personally effect you then it isn't really your so let the police "handle it".

I wish that there was more of an effort made towards community policing but the people of the community have to first value it.

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Agreed. I'm of the belief that we can make progress without legalizing heroin and cocaine. If that makes me naive, then so be it.

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I'll probably get made fun of for using a tv show, but The Wire had some great storytelling about all that. The community policing, the snitching etc.

The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

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