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The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

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Agreed. I'm of the belief that we can make progress without legalizing heroin and cocaine. If that makes me naive, then so be it.

I agree,Weed should be legal. Heroin and coke . No way.

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If it were in the black community would you notice? Would you care enough to complain as you are doing now?

Maybe that it is the point.


Why does it matter if people on the Northside notice this march? Think they don't know there is a lot of gun violence elsewhere in the city?

The problem certainly seems to be that the police are treated like the enemy, and no one talks to them when murders are committed. That seems like a cultural change to me that I don't know how to make happen.

Not sure it's possible, but somehow, you'd have to break up or diminish the power of these gangs.

I mean when you have gangs or people funding them with enough power to pay off politicians to maintain the murderous status quo...I dont know what can be done.


Drugs are their biggest source of income. Legalize. Then some sort of outreach so they trust the police. Hell create a task force that is majority black/latino and do real community policing to build up some trust.

I've also thought their should be some sort of national service that's Peace Core like inside this country if you are not joining the military or going to college that gets youth to a different part of the country to work and meet different people.

Those would be my suggestions. But there has to be a major cultural change inside the community to go through official channels rather than personal retribution.



There is an inherent problem with attempting to change it from within. The interpersonal bonds between people in the community is simply stronger than the bonds that they have with law enforcement. The trust level is stronger as well. That is why community policing is difficult. In order to implement effective community policing strategies a person may have to report on their best friend or relative. They may have to snitch on a fellow gang member. Even if you are not a criminal you may have grown up with criminals. If the crime doesn't personally effect you then it isn't really your so let the police "handle it".

I wish that there was more of an effort made towards community policing but the people of the community have to first value it.

I'll probably get made fun of for using a tv show, but The Wire had some great storytelling about all that. The community policing, the snitching etc.



Its real. Ironically most of the guys out on the street yet are career criminals have remained on the street because they snitched on someone.

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The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

How ARE they making money? or are they Not?


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I would like to publicly apologize for asking what the goal of the protest is. I didn't realize that was over the line.

I think part of every protest is "recognize our pain," and I have to say that the leaders of this protest have got my attention. Definitely.

It bugs me, though, that they want to "spread the pain" because I know I'm barely hanging on and I'm tired of the "white male = easiest game level" bullshit. Now that I am 47, I can add "old" to that. And my response is go to blazes. It reminds me of what Van Jones said the night Trump was elected. And I realize the difference between individual racism and structural racism, but I think the leaders of this march are exploiting the differences, too.

I think that's their response, too.

What you call a dilemma.

So I guess I do support them. But, like BLM, can they get someone to help them not occasionally be so counter-productive? If it's sposed to mean Black Lives Matter, Too, call it that!


The Coates/BLM believe all/most whites are racist. For example, I've seen op-eds saying that white people should not have BLM shirts because it's cultural appropriation. It you believe that then this march is clearly not asking for help. Why would racists help you after all? They also probably do not really the type of help that would immediately end violence anyway. If there was a massive police force sent in to end the violence that would almost certainly also be protested as violating Civil Rights. So the march is to say they are pissed off and frustrated.

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Sounds like Rogar6 is already at the protest.


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Man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt and riding a bike yells from a distance, “Influennce children in a positive way!” After having words with a protester, he says, “Get our of my face and raise your kids!”

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Sounds like Rogar6 is already at the protest.


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Man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt and riding a bike yells from a distance, “Influennce children in a positive way!” After having words with a protester, he says, “Get our of my face and raise your kids!”


Hey, I tried to have a civilized conversation but they just weren't having it. And it's a Guns n Roses shirt.

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Sounds like Rogar6 is already at the protest.


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Man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt and riding a bike yells from a distance, “Influennce children in a positive way!” After having words with a protester, he says, “Get our of my face and raise your kids!”


May be rude but is he wrong?

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Sounds like Rogar6 is already at the protest.


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Man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt and riding a bike yells from a distance, “Influennce children in a positive way!” After having words with a protester, he says, “Get our of my face and raise your kids!”


Hey, I tried to have a civilized conversation but they just weren't having it. And it's a Guns n Roses shirt.


Riding a bike? Has Jorr posted lately....?

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JORR wouldn't say something like that. He would just accuse them of all wearing pussy hats.

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JORR wouldn't say something like that. He would just accuse them of all wearing pussy hats.

And he's probably say something like "Now I gotta watch this 3rd race at Del Mar from my phone! You better hope I get good reception assholes!"

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JORR wouldn't say something like that. He would just accuse them of all wearing pussy hats.

And he's probably say something like "Now I gotta watch this 3rd race at Del Mar from my phone! You better hope I get good reception assholes!"


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I just flipped my tickets for tonight's Cubs game to a buddy who lives down near Wrigley.

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"I thank you for not letting America be the only idiot for going around thinking like this."

Yeah it's ridiculous to think a strong family unit would have anything to do with turning out a well adjusted child that doesn't get involved with gangs.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

How ARE they making money? or are they Not?



They really aren't. Not for guys that are supposed to be involved in criminal enterprises. Enough to eat and get high with. That is about it. Most of the gang problems are actual gang not drug related. Rival gangs killing while the other seeks retribution for it.

The hustle game has been dead since the 90's in this city. There are a few that do a little better than the rest but nothing major.

They never have bond money and always have to go the PD route for legal defense. Thats not a coincidence.

Most so called drug dealers are merely weed dealers because there isn't much to be made from dealing crack anymore. No one has ever gotten rich from dealing weed either. Just enough to get by with.

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70% of gang members, high school dropouts, teen suicides, teen pregnancies
and teen substance abusers come from single mother homes.

➲  More than half of all youths incarcerated in the U.S. lived in one-parent
families as a child
Thirty-seven percent of families led by single mothers nationwide live in poverty.
Comparatively, only 6.8% of families with married parents live in poverty, according
to data from 2009 compiled by the Heritage Foundation.
Consider these dire statistics from single parent households:*
➲  63% of youth suicides (Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services, Bureau of the Census)
➲  90% of all homeless and runaway children
➲  85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders (Source: Center for
Disease Control)
➲  80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger (Source: Criminal Justice &
Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
➲  71% of all high school dropouts (Source: National Principals Association
Report on the State of High Schools.)
➲  75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers (Source: Rainbows for
All God`s Children.)
➲  70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice,
Special Report, Sept 1988)
➲  85% of all youths sitting in prisons (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail
populations, Texas Department of Corrections 1992)

Fuck that. Let's just say taking the high moral ground is for judgmental assholes


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Fuck that. Let's just say taking the high moral ground is for judgmental assholes


When the approach that rognar or whatever the fuck his name is took, it is.

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I just flipped my tickets for tonight's Cubs game to a buddy who lives down near Wrigley.

"buddy" .... "down near Wrigley" ..... :colors:

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"I thank you for not letting America be the only idiot for going around thinking like this."

Yeah it's ridiculous to think a strong family unit would have anything to do with turning out a well adjusted child that doesn't get involved with gangs.


There's a black man with a black kid marchin' in a white neighborhood
He's got Lake Shore Drive shut down on a Thursday afternoon
You know he thinks that whitey's got it so good
And there's a Cubs fan on a bike riding like he owns the world,
And the biker looks at him and says, "Hey buddy, I can remember when
your kind could raise kids. "

Oh but ain't that America for Rogar and he
Ain't that America in France you will see baby
Ain't that America great for whitey
Little pink houses for Rogar and he

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"I thank you for not letting America be the only idiot for going around thinking like this."

Yeah it's ridiculous to think a strong family unit would have anything to do with turning out a well adjusted child that doesn't get involved with gangs.

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?

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"I thank you for not letting America be the only idiot for going around thinking like this."

Yeah it's ridiculous to think a strong family unit would have anything to do with turning out a well adjusted child that doesn't get involved with gangs.


There's a black man with a black kid marchin' in a white neighborhood
He's got Lake Shore Drive shut down on a Thursday afternoon
You know he thinks that whitey's got it so good
And there's a Cubs fan on a bike riding like he owns the world,
And the biker looks at him and says, "Hey buddy, I can remember when
your kind could raise kids. "

Oh but ain't that America for Rogar and he
Ain't that America in France you will see baby
Ain't that America great for whitey
Little pink houses for Rogar and he

Not bad


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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?


No...just against the approach whatshisface took.

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?


No...just against the approach whatshisface took.


parkridgesteph?

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?
Only balck and gay ones.

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?


No...just against the approach whatshisface took.


parkridgesteph?

It's probably an America/Dignified Rube mult.

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The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

How ARE they making money? or are they Not?



They really aren't. Not for guys that are supposed to be involved in criminal enterprises. Enough to eat and get high with. That is about it. Most of the gang problems are actual gang not drug related. Rival gangs killing while the other seeks retribution for it.

The hustle game has been dead since the 90's in this city. There are a few that do a little better than the rest but nothing major.

They never have bond money and always have to go the PD route for legal defense. Thats not a coincidence.

Most so called drug dealers are merely weed dealers because there isn't much to be made from dealing crack anymore. No one has ever gotten rich from dealing weed either. Just enough to get by with.



:lol:

This couldn't be farther from the truth.

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?


No...just against the approach whatshisface took.


parkridgesteph?


Now there's a name I haven't heard since oh, before you were born...

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long time guy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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The gangs in Chicago really aren't making much money from the drug trade these days.
They are involved in drug dealing but it really isn't all that lucrative.

How ARE they making money? or are they Not?



They really aren't. Not for guys that are supposed to be involved in criminal enterprises. Enough to eat and get high with. That is about it. Most of the gang problems are actual gang not drug related. Rival gangs killing while the other seeks retribution for it.

The hustle game has been dead since the 90's in this city. There are a few that do a little better than the rest but nothing major.

They never have bond money and always have to go the PD route for legal defense. Thats not a coincidence.

Most so called drug dealers are merely weed dealers because there isn't much to be made from dealing crack anymore. No one has ever gotten rich from dealing weed either. Just enough to get by with.



:lol:

This couldn't be farther from the truth.



Ok. Tell that to someone that doesn't know any better. Drug game is pretty much dead here.

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Are we really arguing against two-parent households now?


No...just against the approach whatshisface took.


parkridgesteph?


Now there's a name I haven't heard since oh, before you were born...

She probably on FB somewhere expressing her love for Kris Bryant.

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