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It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Another classic Seacrest interaction. Condescendingly tell someone they need to read more. When presented with evidence they are wrong then double down on it. When that evidence proves false then just ignore that response.


Another typical interaction with Brick.

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Plays the victim when he is shown to be uninformed.

Kudos though for not creating a mult to back up your victimhood.

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It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Another classic Seacrest interaction. Condescendingly tell someone they need to read more. When presented with evidence they are wrong then double down on it. When that evidence proves false then just ignore that response.


Another typical interaction with Brick.

Comments on something he knows little about.

Gets called on it.

Posts an incomplete picture of his biased perspective.

Claims Victory.

Plays the victim when he is shown to be uninformed.

Kudos though for not creating a mult to back up your victimhood.

...yet


Would a Boilermarker Rick be as tough to spot as long term gay? I think a well disguised BR would be a fun mult to operate.

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It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective


The team can explicitly make anthem protests the exception or write in any other exceptions. Make that public.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Another classic Seacrest interaction. Condescendingly tell someone they need to read more. When presented with evidence they are wrong then double down on it. When that evidence proves false then just ignore that response.


Another typical interaction with Brick.

Comments on something he knows little about.

Gets called on it.

Posts an incomplete picture of his biased perspective.

Claims Victory.

Plays the victim when he is shown to be uninformed.

Kudos though for not creating a mult to back up your victimhood.

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What was I uninformed about?

Here is a simple question.

After Aaron Hernandez was arrested, did the Patriots get to stop paying him?

The fact is that if a player commits a crime so severe that they would be like an Aaron Hernandez situation then the team will not be paying them.

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Seacrest wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.


Does he have a history of crime or drugs? Is he known for violent outbursts?

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Nas wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.


Does he have a history of crime or drugs? Is he known for violent outbursts?



Not that I'm aware of.

If you want contract protection(we will have to wait and see if that is what the issue is ), from behavior that you may freely choose to engage in yourself, then that is way beyond a red flag.

And every contract prohibits some behaviors outright like riding a motorcycle and things like that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Another classic Seacrest interaction. Condescendingly tell someone they need to read more. When presented with evidence they are wrong then double down on it. When that evidence proves false then just ignore that response.


Another typical interaction with Brick.

Comments on something he knows little about.

Gets called on it.

Posts an incomplete picture of his biased perspective.

Claims Victory.

Plays the victim when he is shown to be uninformed.

Kudos though for not creating a mult to back up your victimhood.

...yet
What was I uninformed about?

Here is a simple question.

After Aaron Hernandez was arrested, did the Patriots get to stop paying him?

The fact is that if a player commits a crime so severe that they would be like an Aaron Hernandez situation then the team will not be paying them.


The fact is, the Patriots are still fighting that battle.

IF Roquan Smith doesn't want to be responsible for his own behavior, then it shouldn't be on someone else to take responsibility for him.

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Seacrest wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.


No money spent on attorney's fees are wasted

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The fact is, the Patriots are still fighting that battle.
This is not a fact. Everything I saw online only mentioned it as an incredibly unlikely hypothetical and now we are over a year later and the Hernandez estate has done nothing to push for it. Where have you seen that the Patriots are fighting the battle to not have to pay him everything he was owed had he not been arrested for murder?

The only lawsuit I see from the Hernandez estate is a CTE based lawsuit. There is nothing about the Patriots owing him any money because he was declared not to have committed murder. Since you are so sure I am uninformed I would welcome a link to that.

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Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.


Does he have a history of crime or drugs? Is he known for violent outbursts?



Not that I'm aware of.

If you want contract protection(we will have to wait and see if that is what the issue is ), from behavior that you may freely choose to engage in yourself, then that is way beyond a red flag.

And every contract prohibits some behaviors outright like riding a motorcycle and things like that.


I imagine that we will find out what the actual issue was soon.

I can understand a Tank Johnson or Aaron Hernandez asking for protection from their likely criminal behavior. I can't imagine a guy that hasn't been a criminal wanting protection from criminal activity. Either way the Bears can write in criminal activities and anthem protests as things they can go after his guarantees for. Concede everything else.

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good dolphin wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It's not really making trouble from my perspective. I can see why it would be from a team perspective



The Patriots have wasted six figures on attorneys for something that they could have foreseen with Hernandez.

We have NO knowledge of any other pick that is represented by this agency having the same issue with another client of theirs that has already signed.


No money spent on attorney's fees are wasted


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I imagine that we will find out what the actual issue was soon.


This is really making all this speculation kind of pointless.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
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Another classic Seacrest interaction. Condescendingly tell someone they need to read more. When presented with evidence they are wrong then double down on it. When that evidence proves false then just ignore that response.


Another typical interaction with Brick.

Comments on something he knows little about.

Gets called on it.

Posts an incomplete picture of his biased perspective.

Claims Victory.

Plays the victim when he is shown to be uninformed.

Kudos though for not creating a mult to back up your victimhood.

...yet
What was I uninformed about?

Here is a simple question.

After Aaron Hernandez was arrested, did the Patriots get to stop paying him?

The fact is that if a player commits a crime so severe that they would be like an Aaron Hernandez situation then the team will not be paying them.


The fact is, the Patriots are still fighting that battle.

IF Roquan Smith doesn't want to be responsible for his own behavior, then it shouldn't be on someone else to take responsibility for him.


Did the Bears put that same type of clause in every player that they have contract? IF not, then WHY in the hell did they single him out? If the guy has major issues in the first place, then draft someone else who doesn't. This just does not add up to me.

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Did the Bears put that same type of clause in every player that they have contract? IF not, then WHY in the hell did they single him out? If the guy has major issues in the first place, then draft someone else who doesn't. This just does not add up to me.

It does not add up to you because you are misinformed, as usual.

It is standard language in all NFL contracts. Roquan Smith is trying to be the exception. The Bears have not singled him out.

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Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.

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Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.

Agreed.

Hey Roquan, you can't act like a petulant child with no consequences.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.
If that is true, then yes 100% agree.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.
If that is true, then yes 100% agree.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.


As we discussed several pages earlier, no one publicly seems to know what the real issues are. Smith's camp isn't negotiating publicly and the Bears are speaking scattershot through their usual media lapdogs.

And I believe that it was raised on the Score yesterday that four other teams have agreed to this same clause.

Imo this is nothing more than like Joey Bosa going after an incompetent, poorly staffed family business on a contract matter.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.


As we discussed several pages earlier, no one publicly seems to know what the real issues are. Smith's camp isn't negotiating publicly and the Bears are speaking scattershot through their usual media lapdogs.

And I believe that it was raised on the Score yesterday that four other teams have agreed to this same clause.

Imo this is nothing more than like Joey Bosa going after an incompetent, poorly staffed family business on a contract matter.

Yup. Bears are easy marks since they have such a reputation for incompetence and buffoonery.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.


As we discussed several pages earlier, no one publicly seems to know what the real issues are. Smith's camp isn't negotiating publicly and the Bears are speaking scattershot through their usual media lapdogs.

And I believe that it was raised on the Score yesterday that four other teams have agreed to this same clause.

Imo this is nothing more than like Joey Bosa going after an incompetent, poorly staffed family business on a contract matter.

They seem to have miscalculated then as the Bears are winning the PR battle.

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Smith's camp isn't negotiating publicly

Of course they aren't; they'd look pretty foolish if they say they are negotiating Smith's right to misbehave.
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and the Bears are speaking scattershot through their usual media lapdogs.

The Bears have no interest in dragging their first round pick's reputation through the mud if they want him to contribute to the attempted rebuild.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Mully and Haugh are reporting that it's about on the field issues that don't include the anthem.
The reports seem to be he doesn't want the team to be able to take away guaranteed money for actions that happen on the field outside the play on the field. So, if he punches a guy or throws a helmet at a ref the Bears can't go after that money.

That just seems stupid. At this point I think the Bears should stay strong on that.


As we discussed several pages earlier, no one publicly seems to know what the real issues are. Smith's camp isn't negotiating publicly and the Bears are speaking scattershot through their usual media lapdogs.

And I believe that it was raised on the Score yesterday that four other teams have agreed to this same clause.

Imo this is nothing more than like Joey Bosa going after an incompetent, poorly staffed family business on a contract matter.

They seem to have miscalculated then as the Bears are winning the PR battle.


Well, sure, Mully and Haugh were basically serving as the Bears propaganda ministers earlier this morning. "His agents aren't serving his interests," "Roquan needs to get involved," etc.

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He could clarify his stance whenever he wants.

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He could clarify his stance whenever he wants.

Correct. I'm sure all Bears beat reporters have asked his agent for an interview...and were denied.

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Did the Bears put that same type of clause in every player that they have contract? IF not, then WHY in the hell did they single him out? If the guy has major issues in the first place, then draft someone else who doesn't. This just does not add up to me.


It does not add up to you because you are misinformed, as usual.

It is standard language in all NFL contracts. Roquan Smith is trying to be the exception. The Bears have not singled him out.


Hey, dipshit. I asked a question did I not? So stick your insulting response up your ass.

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