A few thoughts:

1. You aren’t wasting anyone’s time on those hotlines. Those hotlines would rather field 20 calls from someone who likely will not hurt themselves rather than risk one person who will kill themselves not call because they do not want to waste time.

2. Please look into group therapy, often cheaper than individual therapy and you can get into a good group of other peers who might be experiencing some of the same fears, anxieties, and emotions that you are.

3. Even if it is just a phase, it is an unhealthy phase to be in, do yourself a solid and get yourself out of it as quickly and safely as possible.

someone called into howard recently wanting some advice for dealing with depression and didn't have medical insurance yet so he didn't know how to afford it. a guy called in and recommended AA. you don't have to be an alcoholic to go, it's free, and it's just one big support group.

If you haven't already, call right now.

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What I'm about to say is extremely reductive. But tough shit.

God gave you life. Only He has the right to take it. There is no "dignity" in taking your own life. No matter the circumstances, whether terminal disease or the intolerable mental pain of life, the final act of suicide is a re-gift, a thumb in the eye to the Guy that gave it to you.

Play it out. THAT'S dignified.

Except there is no such thing as god or the man in the sky or Santa Clause or the Tooth Ferry.. its all the same! God and religion is a figment of your imagination. One thing you notice in nations with lower education the more they believe in religion and mysticism to explain them being human and their existence.

On the thoughts of Suicide from the original poster, please seek help and do not go through any rash decisions on temporary pain. Stress and feeling down is temporary but death is permanent. Please call the suicide prevention line 1-800-273-8255 or seek some professional help which there is no shame in doing so.

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This is the epitome of ignorance. I debated Noam Chomsky in private correspondence on whether God exists and won. There's the cosmological argument of Thomas Aquinas, which goes "if the existence is true, then the first cause of existence has to be true." There's also the qabalistic argument of the Ain Soph Aur, which is also true for those enlightened enough to experience it. It's the eternal righteous light that God created that lies behind the curtain of matter. If that light exists as God's reflection, then God exists.

I would recommend prayer to my friend, Hawaii You. Loneliness is a common cause of depression. Even to have one friend is better than having none. You have friends here.

DID NOT HAPPEN

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If you actually have something worthwhile to say to the old Professor, he will write you back from his MIT e-mail address.

The problem with Noam is that he's so set in his ways with his rationalist thinking, he's very close-minded about God, even when faced with irrefutable arguments.

Indeed, my debate with him did happen. I was trying to convince him, because I think he's a good guy.

"Except there is no such thing as god or the man in the sky or Santa Clause or the Tooth Ferry.. its all the same! God and religion is a figment of your imagination. One thing you notice in nations with lower education the more they believe in religion and mysticism to explain them being human and their existence."

Says you and 60% of scientists. 40% say something can't come from nothing and that the universe was built on a razor's edge. There's a shitload of circumstantial evidence for a creator, whether you want to call him God or Kid On A Computer In His Basement. But "Tooth Fairy" is just piehole mutterings from ignorant boobs repeated over and over ad nauseum. Just because you think the case is closed doesn't make it so.

Link on that 40 percent figure?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Believing in a personal God is a lot different than saying something can't come from nothing and that the universe was built on a razor's edge.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think a scientist would regard certain aspects of science to inform their personal views. Say, Francis Collins, for example. He wrote a book on the circumstantial evidence. And it's very detailed.

All I'm saying is believe what you want based on what you know and what you have sought out. Don't bring up the flying spaghetti monster drivel because it's very uninformed, very dumb, and very sheep-like.

No it didn't.

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They may. However, the very concept of "belief" without proof is irrational, so it wouldn't be shocking if some ignore the science.

What does that mean?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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KERNAL KURTZZ

Do you discount circumstantial evidence? There's plenty of it for a universe BUILT to bear life.

What does that mean by what does that mean?

Like what?

By asking what does that mean I want to know what does that mean and for you to answer what does that mean.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Like it was built on a razor's edge for life to exist. Read a book or something if you're interested. I already recommended one.

What I mean is what I say. They are words arranged just so as to say what I mean.

Y'all are going to bore HY to death, which is counter to the goal of the fucking thread.

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You never miss your wealth, till your well went dry
Seem like only yesterday, you were here smiling
Now you gone away, but I know you in a better place
No traces of you, what can I do?
Alone and confused

I am glad you called. Call as often as you need to. They want to help.

And yes it is possible to get depression later in life. And you don't need to get high to suffer from bi-polar disorder. And while it is not common to develop it later in life, it can happen. It can be brought on by stress which is something you mentioned.

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the amount of people who are expressing the doubt of a greater power in here explains why you all are fucked in the head,yeah I said it.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I would also add there is a Bi-Polar II that can be involved.

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Elections have consequences.

As someone who has struggled with mild depression over the years I’d agree that getting help is paramount. I did the shrink thing years ago (early 20’s) and it helped a lot (at least with the depression) as it helped me realize when I was slipping into that place. Exercise helps me a lot but you need to find what works for you. Talk to people, talk to the call line.. it’s all helpful. I hated asking for help. It is a weakness in me but in this case, I had to seek it. Don’t be afraid to ask, don’t feel like it’s not important to the people that are there.. it is. You are.

It has come to my attention that there was a study of people who were depressed and had sleep apnea. The depression improved for those whose sleep apnea was treated. People with sleep apnea stop breathing about 30 or times or more a minute when they are sleeping. If you snore you may want to look into getting it treated.

Also beyond medical treatment, exercise and social interaction are recommended for people struggling with depression.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

The apnea possibility is true.

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I believe that. I am at 60x without treatment, basically on every breath, and I struggle with treatment when I have sinus, respiratory, or stomach issues. I can believe that depression can creep in because a person gets really run down physically and will power becomes very challenging.

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