Verlander did have a couple down years but was on the way back up then.

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Not really.

He's having his worst year, the trade was a massive failure.

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I was wrong on him, also. Thought they should have traded him.

I hated Baez too, Thank God he proved me wrong. Hopefully Darvish does the same or were fucked.

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I thought he had surgery.

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Yeah he did and his 2014 and 2015 were not stellar.

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I heard Shep say Quintana 2nd best pitch with Sox was his Cutter..he doesn't throw the cutter with the Cubs. WTF

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Meanwhile Eloy is probably about tied for best prospect in baseball and Cease is sitting within the top 25. Only farm arm RHP you could say are for sure better than Cease right now are Kopech and Whitley. The Cubs, in trading for Quintana, may have given up the best pitcher in the trade.

Nobody ever doubted Cease stuff.. I thought the guy was a big injury risk? Lotta injuries..no?

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He had TJ.

Why isn't this pussy Quintana throwing cutters anymore?

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He’s not working with Coop and maybe Hickey doesn’t like the cutter. Does anyone on the Cubs throw a cutter?

Yea there's some worry there. But from this day forward I would vastly prefer to have Cease than Quintana. Not saying Cease will even have the career of Quintana.

Cubs may have saved the White Sox rebuild with this trade.

Lester does

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Huh. The cutter puts a lot of stress on the elbow maybe it was giving him some discomfort. That’s the only other reason I can imagine. It was a great pitch for him.

I was at game and was wondering the same thing.

what a shit this guy is.

for what they gave up they could have gotten verlander.

i thought verlander was done too last year and was against it.

I think you guys are missing the added value of Quintana: his favorable contract allowed you to sign Darvish.

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In 2014 he won 15 games, in 2015 his ERA is 3.38

This is why gd is the GOAT.

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JORR must be blocked from this thread where Sox fans are spiking the ball on a trade with 2 guys who have never played in the Major Leagues.

I will just leave this here and be done arguing about Verlander not being as stellar for a time.

2014
On January 9, 2014, Verlander underwent core muscle surgery. The Tigers projected that Verlander might miss Opening Day in the aftermath of his surgery but he eventually recovered just in time for when pitchers and catchers reported to training camp in February, 2014.[39] On March 16, Tiger manager Brad Ausmus announced that Verlander would make his seventh consecutive opening-day start on March 31.[40] On April 12, Verlander got the first two hits of his major league career during a 6–2 road win over the San Diego Padres. This snapped a career 0-for-26 string.[41]

Verlander struggled in the first half of 2014. His strikeouts were down to 6.8 per nine innings pitched, opposed to an average of 9.2 over the last five years.[42] His ERA and WHIP in the season's first half were also elevated to 4.71 and 1.49 respectively.[43] Verlander was not named to the AL All-Star team for the first time since 2008, snapping a streak of five straight appearances.[44]

On August 11, in a game against the Pittsburgh Pirates, Verlander allowed five runs, four earned, on four hits in only one inning. Verlander left the game with right shoulder soreness, in his shortest outing of his career. His previous shortest outing was 1​1⁄3 innings in 2008.[45][46] Verlander would miss his next start, the first time that had occurred in his career.

Justin fared somewhat better in the second half of 2014. His season ERA and WHIP dropped to 4.54 and 1.398, respectively. He won his final three decisions to finish with a 15–12 record, and the Tigers won the game in 6 of his last 8 starts.[47] Justin's s trikeout rate remained low, however, as he finished with 159 strikeouts and a 6.9 K/9 IP rate, both the lowest since his 2006 rookie season. He mentioned in 2018 that he had not fully recovered from the core surgery during the 2014 season, contributing to production inferior to his career norms.[48]

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As a neutral observer it seems like it is revenge for how dumb Sox fans supposedly were for thinking Quintana wasn't that good.

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Down year sounds like bad year. Down year by his standards, perhaps.

You can pretend to be intellectual about this but it would just be pretending. In your heart you know the Cubs got hosed badly.

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Quintana has allowed 17 runs in his last 20 1/3 innings.

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And he's 10-9 this season, which surprises nobody except for self proclaimed baseball savant IMU.

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I do not care about Pitcher W-L. Both are having their worst seasons as professionals. Both will be fine.

The "stat" is flawed. It should not be used to show how well a pitcher has done. It should not be used to show how badly a pitcher has done.

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