It’s a bad point. They had the most expensive free agent roster in the league that year.

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Dude...teams trade bouquets of 1sts for QB's that have never even taken a snap. RG3? Jared Goff? The Bills gave up two second rounders and their first for Josh fucking Allen. The Jets gave up THREE second rounders and 6th overall for "quarterback unknown" a month before the draft!

The reason they do that is because if you can get a stud QB cheap for 4 years you basically can do whatever you want. Its all about money. If you are flexible with the cap you can do whatever you want. Look at Jacksonville and how they just bought themselves a defense. If Khalil Mack still had two years left on his rookie deal you'd be right. The cost would be astronomical. At least two first rounders.

But he's not. He's going to be outrageously expensive. Maybe the highest paid player ever (until the next QB extension comes along). That changes everything.

Its almost like huge amounts of free agent flexibility is a nice thing to have. I think you're starting to get it.

Yeah. He ain't going anywhere unless they get a too good to refuse offer.

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I fully understand a player's desire to want5 to be the highest paid this or that, get huge respect or just flat out get as rich as possible. In a salary cap situation though I can't get how a player would not want to back off a bit for a certian place, team or to be competitive.

Those that eat up huge cap chunks themselves do not seem to have winning as a priority. That is okay but again I do not get that.

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Your rookie contract is for winning, your second contract is for your life. In football, these guys will more than likely die young after spending a life in incredible pain if they don't kill themselves first. Average NFL tenure is 3 years. You make what you can before its over.

Agreed. Tom Brady has taken a shit load of discounts for the Patriots and they've rarely invested any of that money on offense. It's a business and owners aren't loyal.

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I get that guys. I am not saying take $1M rather than $22M. I am saying maybe take $19.5. But again it is all up to the individual's desires.

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Tom Brady has taken half of what he's worth for a decade and they haven't spent much money on 1 elite WR. If you're a RB or a defensive player you have to grab the money ASAP. I completely agree with you when it comes to the NBA or MLB but football is entirely different.

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Yeah, Brady has only had Gronk and Moss I guess. Hard to argue with whatever it is they have put on his teams though. I get you though and if it were me I would need some hard promises about where it goes to give up some.

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One talking head on tv the other day mentioned that there were rumblings that the Raiders not only likely don't have the upfront cash, but don't have the credit to finance the escrow account that the guaranteed money has to be deposited in. That scenario, unlikely as it seemed, didn't get refuted.

But they gave that idiot Gruden $100 MM guaranteed? Too bad Al really had a good estate plan set up.

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Al was Al I am sure but this stuff happens when rich people die. Wrigleys too? Gonna be a shit show when Virginia dies.

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If Smith can miss virtually all of training camp and still play on opening day, then that makes a great argument for eliminating the pre-seasonal games.

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They had particularly favorable situation with TC starting early. He still has four weeks until the first game.

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I'm expecting him to play with the second team tonight.

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UPDATE: Odds for which team Khalil Mack will be on after the trade deadline (@betmybookie):

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Bills +1000
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5:50 AM - 18 Aug 2018

Getting interesting

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Another way the Bears are likely to beat the Packers this season

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Pace won't do it. He has to draft a new bust next year in the first. I'm sure there's a 27 year old volleyball-player-turned-tight-end he's got his eye on.

Jordan Howard
Nick Kwiatkoski
2nd Round pick

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I don't think the Raiders would do that and I also think trading Howard would be a terrible idea. He's their best offensive player.

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It's an interesting idea but impossible because they already traded the 2019 second for Anthony Miller.

I'd be more open to trading Howard if it were the beginning of the off-season. Cohen/Cunningham/Knile Davis won't cut it.

1st and 3rd. That's the right deal.

Howard is cost controlled and he fills an important need for the Raiders. The Bears have proven they can find RB's. Not sure Howard is a great fit for this offense.

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Jordan Howard is worth more than any individual asset the Packers could realistically give up in a Khalil Mack trade.

Howard is a great fit for any offense. Marshon Lynch looks really good so far, might not be a big need there.

Cost control means nothing for the RB position.

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2 dirt cheap years of Jordan Howard, one of the better pure runners currently in the league, is a massive upgrade over old man Marshawn Lynch.

It's definitely an upgrade but a lot of people expect Lynch to have a bounce back year and he looks really good in camp. I'm pretty certain they don't think RB is a need right now.

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I can only imagine the fans next year at draft time when they do not have a pick until the 4th round.

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I think it means more to an organization that is having cash flow problems.

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2020 3rd.

Also I dont think Howard is going to be on the team this time next year, and assuming he has a productive and injury free 2018 season he will assuredly fetch a top 100 pick in 2019.

Trading for Mack is the right move for the Bears. I've thought about it a lot and now I'm sure. Right now they have to spend that 2019 first on a pass rusher. They are just too weak in that department. So the way I see it they are drafting Khalil Mack (a year early) with that pick. Whatever else it costs is incidental. They've got the money to spend to make this really work. A Mack/Trevathan/Smith/Floyd LB corps is lights out. With Lynch and Kwiatkowski off the bench and as situational guys its even stronger. They need the matchup nightmare though. That's what they lack. Floyd is nice but he doesnt demand attention, having Mack opens everyone else up.

America is making sense here.

But in fairness, he is a solid sports poster.

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