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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:56 pm 
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the guy the sawx kept vs the guy they traded...

Rafael Devers :: 2018 Stats :: BOS GP: 92 AB: 351 AVG: .239 HR: 14 RBI: 49 SB: 5 CS: 1 R: 43 H: 84 2B: 20 3B: 0 OBP: .290 SLG: .416 OPS: .706 BB: 26 SO: 96 BB: 26 SO: 96 H: 84 HR: 14 R: 43 WAR: -0.3

Yoan Moncada :: 2018 Stats :: CHW GP: 91 AB: 359 AVG: .231 HR: 12 RBI: 41 SB: 10 CS: 2 R: 48 H: 83 2B: 19 3B: 5 OBP: .308 SLG: .412 OPS: .720 BB: 39 SO: 136 BB: 39 SO: 136 H: 83 HR: 12 R: 48 WAR: 1.7

I would guess the difference in WAR = 3B vs 2B? and some ppl think moncada should play 3B... but yeah, eerily similar offensive stats for the guy Boston kept vs the guy Boston traded.

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Maybe get Madrigal a couple weeks at Birmingham. A good camp and he could be on the fast track to Charlotte and from there it can be any day when he gets called up the big league squad.

Moncada has to go. This shit is horrible.


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Madrigal’s really hitting the shit out of the ball.


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Madrigal’s really hitting the shit out of the ball.

We tried to tell you

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He’s too short blah blah blah. :lol:

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Madrigal’s really hitting the shit out of the ball.

We tried to tell you


Semi-trolling/semi serious.... he is sitting with a .750 OPS between A/A+, anything lower and you have to start worrying he just sucks . The Cubs pick OPSed 1.000+ prior to getting hurt, topping out in A.


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Not worried. The power will come, a .375 obp with almost no strikeouts and outstanding defense at 2nd more than beats the disaster Moncada has been.


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Let's get a thumbs up or thumbs down from the Sox fan..who he remind ya of?


I say bum, .240 hitter, 22 homers a year..average glove.

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Let's get a thumbs up or thumbs down from the Sox fan..who he remind ya of?


I say bum, .240 hitter, 22 homers a year..average glove.


It is weird. He is like a cross of Uribe and Keppinger. :lol:

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Let's get a thumbs up or thumbs down from the Sox fan..who he remind ya of?


I say bum, .240 hitter, 22 homers a year..average glove.


That is not a bum

right now he does remind me of a bum

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I say bum, .240 hitter, 22 homers a year..average glove.
So you feel Schwarber is a bum with just a bit more power?

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I'm not a Schwarber guy, he has a lot more power and gets on base at much higher clip.

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You didn't say anything about OBP. You said .240 hitter, which is actually 20 points higher than his career average.

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You didn't say anything about OBP. You said .240 hitter, which is actually 20 points higher than his career average.

When you measure guys who look for walks and measure guys who hate to walk(both are counterproductive), you use wOBA.

Anderson .296
Moncada .302

MLB avg is .315


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America wrote:
Not worried. The power will come, a .375 obp with almost no strikeouts and outstanding defense at 2nd more than beats the disaster Moncada has been.


No walks either. He walks as little as he strikes out. His batting average better be .360 if you want a .375 obp.


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Nardi wrote:
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You didn't say anything about OBP. You said .240 hitter, which is actually 20 points higher than his career average.

When you measure guys who look for walks and measure guys who hate to walk(both are counterproductive), you use wOBA.

Anderson .296
Moncada .302

MLB avg is .315


I was just looking at the formula for wOBA. Does it treat Intention Base on Balls as an out? It sure looks like it.


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America wrote:
Not worried. The power will come, a .375 obp with almost no strikeouts and outstanding defense at 2nd more than beats the disaster Moncada has been.


No walks either. He walks as little as he strikes out. His batting average better be .360 if you want a .375 obp.



I'm gonna say his offensive profile will be somewhere between Pierzynski and Pedroia. That's plenty good for a superior defender in the middle infield in this era.

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America wrote:
Not worried. The power will come, a .375 obp with almost no strikeouts and outstanding defense at 2nd more than beats the disaster Moncada has been.


No walks either. He walks as little as he strikes out. His batting average better be .360 if you want a .375 obp.



I'm gonna say his offensive profile will be somewhere between Pierzynski and Pedroia. That's plenty good for a superior defender in the middle infield in this era.


I'm good with that.


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Doesn't need to draw a ton of walks if he puts the ball in play almost every AB.


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Are we still talking about Moncada? I see "superior defense" and "puts the ball in play."


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Are we still talking about Moncada? I see "superior defense" and "puts the ball in play."



:lol: We're talking about Nickaaay!

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Moncada for Addison? Moncada for Bote?

How far has the shine fallen? I make either trade from the cub side. I think he eventually turns the corner and improves contact. Then again, I’m ready to own Quintana.


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I’m thinking about a Shields and Avilan for Bote deal. :D


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I wouldn't trade Addy or Bote for that Cuban bum.

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I wouldn't trade Addy or Bote for that Cuban bum.


I’m not convinced there isn’t something there. I stayed with Baez on potential through some lean years. We are talking about the Sox and developing hitting. Get him in the cubs system and who knows.

Sox are to hitting development as the cubs are to pitching.


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He needs to start swinging on 2-strike counts more.


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He needs to start swinging on 2-strike counts more.


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He needs to start swinging on 2-strike counts more.


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