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Church president: Use 'Latter-day Saints' not 'Mormon'
Associated Press BRADY McCOMBS,Associated Press 2 hours 11 minutes ago

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The faith has the famous Mormon Tabernacle Choir, recently made a documentary about its members called "Meet the Mormons" and uses "Mormon" in its official website addresses.

But on Thursday Mormon church President Russell M. Nelson said he wants people to stop using "Mormon," or "LDS" as substitutes for the full name of the religion: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Nelson said in a statement that the "Lord has impressed upon my mind the importance of the name he has revealed for his church."

The full name was given by revelation from God to founder Joseph Smith in 1838, according to the faith's beliefs.

The faith's presidents are considered prophets who lead the church through revelations from God. The 93-year-old Nelson ascended to church president in January when the previous president died.

An updated style guide posted by the faith suggests using "the Church," Church of Jesus Christ" or "restored Church of Jesus Christ" when a shortened reference is needed. For church members, it requests using "Latter-day Saints" or "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

The term "Mormonism" should no longer be used either to refer to the faith's doctrine, culture and lifestyle, the styled guide said.

The church says it will update websites and materials in the coming months to reflect the guidance.

The terms "Mormon," ''Mormonism" and "LDS" have been frequently used for decades by the religion and by both members and non-members to refer to the Utah-based faith that counts 16 million members worldwide.

The church has always requested use of the full name, but accepted the use of Mormon and LDS as short-hand.

The church ran a series of ads starting in 2010 under the theme, "I'm a Mormon" to dispel stereotypes by telling the stories of individual Mormons. The campaign included TV ads, billboards and ads on buses. One video posted in 2011 featured Brandon Flowers, the lead singer of the popular rock band, The Killers. It ends with: "My name is Brandon Flowers. I'm a father, I'm a husband and I'm a Mormon."

In 2014, the faith followed up by making a documentary called "Meet the Mormons" that told the stories of six church members living around the world, including Navy football coach Ken Niumatalolo.

It will be an "extremely difficult change" since the terms are engrained among members, journalists, academics and observers, said Patrick Mason, a professor of religion at Claremont Graduate University in California who is the chair of Mormon Studies at the college. He recently published a book titled, "What is Mormonism?"

Mason said he expects church members will do their best to conform. But he predicted outsiders will continue to use Mormon and Mormonsim "both out of habit and ease, since the formal name of the church is so long."

Mason said Nelson has long insisted on using the full and proper name during his three decades on the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a governing body that sits below the church president and helps make church policy. Nelson became president when the previous president, Thomas S. Monson, died because he was the longest-tenured member of the panel.

The decision sparked buzz on social media in Utah, with people pointing out that the news release was being disseminated from a Twitter account with "Mormon" in the name — @MormonNewsroom — and being posted on a website also featuring the word: mormonnewsroom.org.

Rebranding a business or large institution is a difficult task that usually costs millions of dollars and often takes generations to take hold, said David Margulies, president of a Dallas public relations firm.

The term "Mormon" is engrained in American culture and has a lot of good equity that the faith would be losing by shifting away from using it, he said. He predicts confusion among people who won't realize the full name is the same religion as Mormons, and said there's a "very slim" chance the name change will catch on.

"It's a recognized, large religion. Mitt Romney is a Mormon," Margulies said. "It's well established so if you're going to change it you need a reason for changing it that makes sense. . . . Changing the name sounds like you're covering something up."


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A guy named Margulies running public relations for the Mormons, ain't that America

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A guy named Margulies running public relations for the Mormons, ain't that America


And loudly touting a Samoan college football coach as one of the six faces of Mormonism. Go figure.

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I wonder why the Mormons took to converting Polynesians the way they did. BYU football is always lousy with big Samoan linemen named Bofa Fupadapupu or whatever.

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I wonder why the Mormons took to converting Polynesians the way they did. BYU football is always lousy with big Samoan linemen named Bofa Fupadapupu or whatever.


Oddly, North Park university has a pipeline to Guam for players and regular students alike. There must be something in the evangelical message that really appeals to Pacific islanders.

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Possible. Evangelicalism has somehow been making huge inroads in Latin America in the last 10-15 years.

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Possible. Evangelicalism has somehow been making huge inroads in Latin America in the last 10-15 years.


Africa as well for years.

Jomo Kenyatta had remarks years ago to the effect that: When missionaries arrived we had all the land and they had bibles. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened our eyes, they had all the land and all we had were bibles.

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Some friends of the family went over to Hong Kong to be missionaries. Seems a little dicey to me, but I guess it's a reason to live in Hong Kong for a while.

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That sounds a bit more than dicey, but if you have the faith, more power to you/them.

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They really didn't like Book of Mormon.


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I don’t have any bad thoughts about Mormons. The ones I knew were very nice people and the one older guy that worked for me was wonderful. He and his wife were a model of a good relationship. Anyway, I could never figure out though how the good behavior on earth and all the rules gets you to another planet rather than just heaven.

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"heaven is on another planet", good sign of a cult. L. Ron/Scientology/ heaven's gate. Mormons are circumspect about whether or not they really believe in the heaven is on another planet thing. The tv show Lost may or may not have been an exposition of the Mormon belief in an after-life "spirit prison".

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I believe that God has a plan for all of us
I believe that plan involves me getting my own planet
And I believe that the current President of the Church, Thomas Monson, speaks directly to God
I am a Mormon
And, dang it, a Mormon just believes (a Mormon just believes)
I know that I must go and do the things my God commands (things my God commands)
I realize now why he sent me here
If you ask the Lord in faith, he will always answer you
Just believe in him and have no fear
I believe that Satan has a hold of you
I believe that the Lord God has sent me here
And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people (black people)
You can be a Mormon
A Mormon who just believes
And now I can feel the excitement, this is the moment I was born to do
And I feel so incredible to be sharing my faith with you
The scriptures say that if you ask in faith, if you ask God himself, you'll know
But you must ask him without any doubt, and let your spirit grow (let your spirit grow)
I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolob
I believe that Jesus has his own planet as well
And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri


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