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Sox have really good young pitching. Where have I seen this story before? Just about my entire life. Wake me when bats are developed.

Sox fans are under no obligation to remind fair weather Chicago fans when the Sox are good again. Sorry.


:lol: :lol: Well you can get excited about the Sox having good young pitching AGAIN. I will go watch him pitch but hold off on my excitement until I see bats.

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FF's Hahn hatred is disturbing.

Real sad he can't see the great work Rick is doing.

I'd say it's only good work. Eloy should have been up a month ago. Does Rick believe the trick, the loophole, or whatever you want to call it, of the 7th year of service time, will exist in the new bargaining agreement? Cuz it won't.


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I was looking forward to rooting for him, but the guy Im playing in Fantasy Baseball picked him up (this fuckin loser sets his alarm for 3am to make pick ups) so now I have to hope he gets shelled.


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The worst offender in that thread has to be TaylorStSox. What an epic homo.

I used to lurk there often, but now I check it maybe once or twice a year. ss2k5 is a snotty little punk. Little dick syndrome I’m guessing.


+ infinity. I have both of them on ignore.


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What about 2023 though?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:23 am 
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They may trade Rodon.

Considering Hahn and Williams have been a historically bad front office lately I fear this may be correct. God would it be fucking stupid though.


Kenny is a confirmed functional retard, Hahn absolutely pantsed Epstein on Q deal. He got the upper hand on Eaton deal and lost the Sale deal.He's2\3 imo

He only won the Eaton deal because Eaton got injured, something he couldn’t have foreseen.

Rick Hahn has one of the worst track records in MLB history of any GM who’s been on the job 4+ years. That’s a fact. Stop thinking he’s anything other than worthless at his job.


This. Rick Hahn is not "shrewd" in any way.


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Manny Ramirez will be up doing Manny things really soon.


So when does he get suspended for PEDs?


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Be awhile til he needs Manny's Miracle Medicine. When he does though you better believe it'll be just what he needs.


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The worst offender in that thread has to be TaylorStSox. What an epic homo.

I used to lurk there often, but now I check it maybe once or twice a year. ss2k5 is a snotty little punk. Little dick syndrome I’m guessing.


You nailed it.

Soxtalk is full of bizzare, but the Kopech/Jimenez service time debate is an all timer. It's like being upset that you'll have to pay for a good college in 6 years when your kid gets promoted to 7th grade and you're a billionaire.


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The losing has broken them to an extent. They are almost captive to it. To be a Sox fan since the year they choked against the Rays and blew it in Robin's first year has been an existence defined by loss. They have taken this to mean losing is good. That's why you have guys who unironically think they should tank next year AND 2020 for the best draft picks possible. Or people who freak out because Kopech might mean the Sox pick 4th this year.


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That's why you have guys who unironically think they should tank next year AND 2020 for the best draft picks possible.

Fuck that. That's crazy.


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The losing has broken them to an extent. They are almost captive to it. To be a Sox fan since the year they choked against the Rays and blew it in Robin's first year has been an existence defined by loss. They have taken this to mean losing is good. That's why you have guys who unironically think they should tank next year AND 2020 for the best draft picks possible. Or people who freak out because Kopech might mean the Sox pick 4th this year.


I don't think so. I think they are arm chair GMs who haven't had a date in 15 years and went to the high school homecoming with their "friends", only to see the band girl they worshipped go off to dance with a real person. They've never engaged in any sort of physical activity their entire lives and get off by behaving like wannabe Chris Rongeys.


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Kopech is a Cy Young starter.

:lol: :lol:

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I'm in the group that advocates keeping him down but that horse has left the barn.

I hope this is the beginning of something great.

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Rozner is a moron.


In the case of Michael Kopech, seven will not be more than six for the White Sox.

As for Eloy Jimenez, we shall see.

The argument could be made -- as has been made many times in the past by organizations around the game -- that giving up a year of team control is worth it for a young starting pitcher -- as opposed to a position player -- when there is value in having him promoted to the major leagues for the last month of the season.

This way, he begins the next season having already experienced the big leagues and can hit the ground running.

There is risk, however, because it will be only the third year of a rebuild in 2019 and the argument is significant against starting his service time clock when the team is far away from winning.

Nevertheless, GM Rick Hahn made his case on a conference call Monday morning when explaining why the Sox called up Kopech to start Tuesday night against the Twins at home.

"Going back to last season when Michael finished the year at Triple-A, our hope from a development standpoint was to get him to the majors this year," Hahn said. "Putting him in the best position to reach his considerable ceiling, we felt a trip to Chicago this year would make the most sense, both from a standpoint of seeing how his stuff plays, and going into the offseason knowing how big league hitters react to his stuff, and perhaps any adjustments he may have to react to going into the 2019 season."

Hahn also mentioned continuing to increase Kopech's innings, which topped out at 134 last year and are at 126 this year. With the minor league season ending soon, Kopech's only chance to add would be at the major league level.

Still, the Sox have given away the chance to have Kopech guaranteed for seven years instead of only six, though with their propensity for signing young players to long-term deals -- buying up years of arbitration and free agency -- Kopech would be a candidate for such a contract and would alleviate those seventh-year concerns if he is indeed what the Sox hope he will be.

"These decisions are based upon what is best for these players and the organization for the long run," Hahn said. "We felt it made the most sense to get Michael here to build off that innings base and make his debut in his age 22 season and head into this offseason with a clear focus and understanding of exactly what it takes to get big league hitters out.

"Each individual player will be similarly judged based upon what is best for them."

So seven could still be more than six for Jimenez.

"Eloy will remain in Charlotte (AAA) for this time and we'll continue to evaluate," Hahn said, "and when the time comes we'll explain the logic behind whatever decision we make with regards to the rest of his 2018 season."

The Kopech move will undoubtedly please a large percentage of the fan base that wants something fun to watch in September, the same group that's also screaming for Jimenez to be here today.

But Hahn says the team can't allow any of that to enter their thinking.

"Outside noise or emotion -- or even passion or excitement to see the rebuild progress -- has nothing to do with our decision in terms of the timing of promotions," Hahn said. "We knew going back to last offseason that 2018 would be a challenging season, one in which we could not fall prey to outside influences.

"It was going to require patience and you've seen us exhibit that this season. We're gonna have to continue to do that over the coming weeks and months.

"The short-term gratification that would come from promoting high-profile players just isn't worth it when you consider the long-term benefits that come to us by showing the requisite patience that's required to put these guys in the best position to succeed."

That certainly sounds like Jimenez will have to wait. Yet, the Sox promoted Kopech now rather than waiting until a week or two into the 2019 season.

That definitely helps the player in this situation, but giving away that year of control is a very big deal.

An organization has to believe a late-season promotion is crucial to the player's development and speeds up his timeline.

The front office also has to believe that the player's timeline will match up with the rebuild, which will reach Year 5 in 2021.

And they also have to think they'll be able to get him signed long term.

The Sox did the math and the answer they found for Kopech was a promotion right now.

Math remains, as always, complicated.


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The losing has broken them to an extent. They are almost captive to it. To be a Sox fan since the year they choked against the Rays and blew it in Robin's first year has been an existence defined by loss. They have taken this to mean losing is good. That's why you have guys who unironically think they should tank next year AND 2020 for the best draft picks possible. Or people who freak out because Kopech might mean the Sox pick 4th this year.


I don't think so. I think they are arm chair GMs who haven't had a date in 15 years and went to the high school homecoming with their "friends", only to see the band girl they worshipped go off to dance with a real person. They've never engaged in any sort of physical activity their entire lives and get off by behaving like wannabe Chris Rongeys.



Is Keyser Soze at Soxtalk?

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Jeez your depends are still in a bunch. Might want to think about changing those soon.


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I am pleased for my friends who are Sox fans. I happened to be in town the night Rizzo played his first game as a Cub, and bought a ticket off of StubHub that afternoon and went. It is different in person than watching on TV.

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I am pleased for my friends who are Sox fans. I happened to be in town the night Rizzo played his first game as a Cub, and bought a ticket off of StubHub that afternoon and went. It is different in person than watching on TV.


I personally would still rather watch Chris Sale once every five games than Yoan Moncada go 4-21 with 9 strikeouts and Michael Kopech do whatever he's about to do. But beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I suppose.


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Rozner is a moron.


In the case of Michael Kopech, seven will not be more than six for the White Sox.


Nothing in Chicago sports is more predictable than Rozner siding with Reinsdorf's wallet.


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Rozner is a moron.


In the case of Michael Kopech, seven will not be more than six for the White Sox.


Nothing in Chicago sports is more predictable than Rozner siding with Reinsdorf's wallet.

Rozner told me I didn't understand 7 is more than 6.


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I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again. The White Sox are going to have to think very seriously on how they are going to handle Kopech's ego let alone his maturation as a pitcher in general. I have concerns about a guy with his ego blowing out his arm by trying to show it off. Its happened before.

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What line are you Sox fans expecting from Kopech tomorrow?

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I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again. The White Sox are going to have to think very seriously on how they are going to handle Kopech's ego let alone his maturation as a pitcher in general. I have concerns about a guy with his ego blowing out his arm by trying to show it off. Its happened before.


I am not saying he doesn't have an ego, everyone does. Where are you getting this? He had sacrificed his 105 mph for more control and I believe has staying under 100mph for the most part.


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The real rebuild begins tonight.


Yep.

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What line are you Sox fans expecting from Kopech?


Quality start would be nice. Maybe 6IP 3R 2BB 8K

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The real rebuild begins tonight.


Yep.

312player wrote:
What line are you Sox fans expecting from Kopech?


Quality start would be nice. Maybe 6IP 3R 2BB 8K

If he gets out of their with 2BB, that would be an excellent first start.


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312player wrote:
What line are you Sox fans expecting from Kopech tomorrow?


Frank wrote:
Cy Young awarded early to Kopech

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The real rebuild begins tonight.


Yep.

312player wrote:
What line are you Sox fans expecting from Kopech?


Quality start would be nice. Maybe 6IP 3R 2BB 8K

If he gets out of their with 2BB, that would be an excellent first start.

Goddamn, pal. Lowering the bar already?


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