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This thread is proof that widdle America(The poster) is completely cracked. The stress of writing crackpot posts at a dime a piece and living with a bunch of other (((incels))) in a Kentucky motel has gotten to him.

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dolphin won't feel this way due to the...uh...rivalry...between the two but Russians are a fine people and did not deserve Soviet rule.


Fuck that noise. They have never been satisfied with controlling their rightful area of land with their tribe. They have always looked to expand and subjugate.

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This thread is proof that widdle America(The poster) is completely cracked. The stress of writing crackpot posts at a dime a piece and living with a bunch of other (((incels))) in a Kentucky motel has gotten to him.

Take him back Uber! :lol: :lol:

You should Google what th echoes mean.


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dolphin won't feel this way due to the...uh...rivalry...between the two but Russians are a fine people and did not deserve Soviet rule.


Fuck that noise. They have never been satisfied with controlling their rightful area of land with their tribe. They have always looked to expand and subjugate.

it is wholly against my character to get between a man and his ancient ethnic hatreds. I like Russia and Russians, but I see where like half the world is coming from when they say they hate them.


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dolphin won't feel this way due to the...uh...rivalry...between the two but Russians are a fine people and did not deserve Soviet rule.


Fuck that noise. They have never been satisfied with controlling their rightful area of land with their tribe. They have always looked to expand and subjugate.

My Dostoevsky professor said the same thing.....interesting


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My point is that if Nazi is seen as some irredeemable epithet then Soviet should definitely be the same. They are really no different. One side won and the other lost. Had western allies sat out the war somehow and Germany beat the USSR we would speak of Soviets now the same way we do of Nazi's. There's an argument even that the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany.

Not trying to defend either side, but even in this thread you see ltg using the "aw shucks Uncle Joe" propaganda that was remarkably persisted to the modern day. The USSR gets a pass. I have wondered why that is.


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My point is that if Nazi is seen as some irredeemable epithet then Soviet should definitely be the same. They are really no different. One side won and the other lost. Had western allies sat out the war somehow and Germany beat the USSR we would speak of Soviets now the same way we do of Nazi's. There's an argument even that the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany.

Not trying to defend either side, but even in this thread you see ltg using the "aw shucks Uncle Joe" propaganda that was remarkably persisted to the modern day. The USSR gets a pass. I have wondered why that is.



No Stalin doesn't get a pass. He was an evil man. Equal to or even worse than Hitler. Killed one of his wives and sacrificed his son that fought alongside him to the Nazis.

That is a separate issue from the U.S.S.R. and the role (Leading) that they played during WWII. Separate even from the Socialist ideology. Without the Soviets we wouldn't be celebrating WWII. Propagandists try and spin it (As MANY on here attempted to do) but it doesn't match up with the facts. Sure they would have struggled on American soil but the war wasn't fought on American soil.

I'm not arguing as to whether Stalin was a moral man. He wasn't. He was a ruthless, murderous piece of garbage that had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the war by Hitler. It still doesn't change the fact that without his assistance Britain, France, and the U.S. would have gone down in a blaze of Gun smoke.

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My point is that if Nazi is seen as some irredeemable epithet then Soviet should definitely be the same. They are really no different. One side won and the other lost. Had western allies sat out the war somehow and Germany beat the USSR we would speak of Soviets now the same way we do of Nazi's. There's an argument even that the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany.

Not trying to defend either side, but even in this thread you see ltg using the "aw shucks Uncle Joe" propaganda that was remarkably persisted to the modern day. The USSR gets a pass. I have wondered why that is.


You've got me thinking with this post. And I am going solely by my own emotions on the issue. Personally the Nazi's were so much worse because they started WW2, and the USSR was effectively an Ally in that war. Also, in terms of genocides, the Nazi's were quite specific in their targeting of a group, while the USSR was pretty broad. I guess if I really thought about it, you might be right in that they are no different. But it just feels like the Nazi's did more harm.

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America wrote:
My point is that if Nazi is seen as some irredeemable epithet then Soviet should definitely be the same. They are really no different. One side won and the other lost. Had western allies sat out the war somehow and Germany beat the USSR we would speak of Soviets now the same way we do of Nazi's. There's an argument even that the USSR was worse than Nazi Germany.

Not trying to defend either side, but even in this thread you see ltg using the "aw shucks Uncle Joe" propaganda that was remarkably persisted to the modern day. The USSR gets a pass. I have wondered why that is.


You've got me thinking with this post. And I am going solely by my own emotions on the issue. Personally the Nazi's were so much worse because they started WW2, and the USSR was effectively an Ally in that war. Also, in terms of genocides, the Nazi's were quite specific in their targeting of a group, while the USSR was pretty broad. I guess if I really thought about it, you might be right in that they are no different. But it just feels like the Nazi's did more harm.


The Nazis were worse. They were hellbent on world domination and started a war to achieve it. Stalin was a danger to the countries located in his sphere of influence. If you happened to be located in Eastern Europe you were fucked but he wasn't concerned with conquering the world.

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As I started thinking about it, I just don't know enough about the USSR to evoke strong emotions. Our conflicts with them were all via proxy with the ever present threat of nuclear war. But it never really escalated, so I can't hate the USSR in the same way as the Nazi's.

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Let's say a MLB baseball player tweeted the hammer and sickle when he was in college. Wouldn't even matter. Never get reported.

But a swatztika? hooooo-boy get ready for the tidal wave.

I don't have a problem with both being unacceptable, but it can't be one or the other. They are both indefensible ideologies.


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The Soviets had better aesthetics. Their subways are gorgeous. Even the subway in Tashkent is nicer than State and Dearborn.

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You have to remember America is basically a Nazi now.

@(((Boilermaker Rick)))


Rick had the big reveal last week that he is of Russian ethnicity. I suspect he is part of some sleeper cell.

My grandmother would punch you in the face for that comment.

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The only reason Stalin went against Hitler is the small fact that Germany invaded the USSR. Otherwise he sits it out lets Europe fight it out.

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@(((br)))...I dunno know why that made me laugh, but I was cracking up. Amercia, you say tons of dumb shit like that Cheap Charlie shyster, and yet you amuse me at times.

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The only reason Stalin went against Hitler is the small fact that Germany invaded the USSR. Otherwise he sits it out lets Europe fight it out.


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The Soviets had better aesthetics. Their subways are gorgeous. Even the subway in Tashkent is nicer than State and Dearborn.

Hold up!

Never use "Soviet" and "aesthetics" in the same paragraph again--unless you are talking about photoshopping, at which they were awesome. Stalin looked tall, while Kirov and Yezhov looked like they really were never there.


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Heeeeey, maybe I can overlook the genocides...

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Heeeeey, maybe I can overlook the genocides...


Yeah but do the trains run on time??? :P

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Heeeeey, maybe I can overlook the genocides...


Hold up, bub--if you are comparing Germany to the Soviet Union culturally--and you can go all the way back to Kievan Rus and throw that shit in there--I'll put C18 and C19 Germany against the Russian entirety and, frankly, any other culture ever. Not even close with Rusland.


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Yeah but do the trains run on time??? :P


What trains? Russia ain't even got bread. They ain't even got a normal alphabet. All they have is bio-weapons, nuclear waste, oil spills, and Pussy Riot. (Actually, that applies to a lot of the USA, too.)


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Hold up, bub--if you are comparing Germany to the Soviet Union culturally--and you can go all the way back to Kievan Rus and throw that shit in there--I'll put C18 and C19 Germany against the Russian entirety and, frankly, any other culture ever. Not even close with Rusland.


No, I was just making a joke about how they quixotically put a ton of money into their metro systems while neglecting a lot of other stuff.

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Well about 2/3rds of that beautiful German stuff was reduced to rubble. Berlin subway is...uh...not very discernible from its American counterparts. The S-bahn artery is still cool and the Hbf is a marvel though. Not beautiful like the Moscow subway, but a real masterpiece.


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Well about 2/3rds of that beautiful German stuff was reduced to rubble. Berlin subway is...uh...not very discernible from its American counterparts. The S-bahn artery is still cool and the Hbf is a marvel though. Not beautiful like the Moscow subway, but a real masterpiece.

Not to mention they have actual cars on their roads, whereas in Russia you have the 2018 Yugo


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A lot of Russia sucking so much is our fault for letting it devolve into kleptocracy.

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I believe you are thinking of Lada.

The Yugo came from Yugoslavia, a country that very desperately avoided picking between communism and the West in the Cold War years.


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dolphin won't feel this way due to the...uh...rivalry...between the two but Russians are a fine people and did not deserve Soviet rule.


Fuck that noise. They have never been satisfied with controlling their rightful area of land with their tribe. They have always looked to expand and subjugate.



And yet, how many times have they been invaded by the Germans?

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I wouldn't say the Germans are loved in the former occupied territories, but in the Baltics, Poland, CZ, Hungary they are vastly preferred to the Russians. Again, we are led to believe the Nazi's are the ultimate in bad-guys but among the people who have lived through both it's not so universal.

Of course blue checkmarks who want to "seize the damn means" like to ignore this kind of stuff. They want it both ways. Hm, wonder why?


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