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I wouldn't say the Germans are loved in the former occupied territories, but in the Baltics, Poland, CZ, Hungary they are vastly preferred to the Russians. Again, we are led to believe the Nazi's are the ultimate in bad-guys but among the people who have lived through both it's not so universal.

Of course blue checkmarks who want to "seize the damn means" like to ignore this kind of stuff. They want it both ways. Hm, wonder why?


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Russians/Soviets are a bit odd in their actions as a communist country. You would assume a communist collective want to live pretty harmoniously within its own borders and share/provide all the wealth and resources at its disposal. That would lead one to believe that invading and conquering are not really part of the manifesto.

I guess there are times when you need to have strategic geographic access to raw resources or sea access etc I guess but why world domination thoughts?

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Russians/Soviets are a bit odd in their actions as a communist country. You would assume a communist collective want to live pretty harmoniously within its own borders and share/provide all the wealth and resources at its disposal. That would lead one to believe that invading and conquering are not really part of the manifesto.

I guess there are times when you need to have strategic geographic access to raw resources or sea access etc I guess but why world domination thoughts?

Similar to fascism the political and economic systems are so fundamentally flawed that the only way they survive is by constant territorial/resource expansion. The wars and conscription have a way of keeping the people in line too.


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I believe you are thinking of Lada.

The Yugo came from Yugoslavia, a country that very desperately avoided picking between communism and the West in the Cold War years.



Tito Resisted communist rule.

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I wouldn't say the Germans are loved in the former occupied territories, but in the Baltics, Poland, CZ, Hungary they are vastly preferred to the Russians. Again, we are led to believe the Nazi's are the ultimate in bad-guys but among the people who have lived through both it's not so universal.

Of course blue checkmarks who want to "seize the damn means" like to ignore this kind of stuff. They want it both ways. Hm, wonder why?



Russian rule is more recent that's why.

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Nah. They felt this way going way back. Especially in fmr Czechoslovakia and the Baltics. The Baltics were actually part of the USSR too, not even puppets. be

Poland had been beaten so hard into submission by both sides or else they would've really been the ones to not put up with Soviet bullshit.


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But ltg is putting it on very open display. There is equivocating and excuses for Soviet atrocities and conquerism, no such quarter is afforded their mortal ideological enemy.


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But ltg is putting it on very open display. There is equivocating and excuses for Soviet atrocities and conquerism, no such quarter is afforded their mortal ideological enemy.


The fact that we initiated the Cold War with the U.S.S.R shortly after WW2 effectively refutes your assertion. Communism isn't beloved in the U.S. In fact Neo Nazis are much preferred to" Reds" in this country.

You can't even get people to admit that the U.S.S.R is the reason we won the war. Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill are provided with all the credit not Stalin. Strawman argument but what the hell.

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But ltg is putting it on very open display. There is equivocating and excuses for Soviet atrocities and conquerism, no such quarter is afforded their mortal ideological enemy.


The fact that we initiated the Cold War with the U.S.S.R shortly after WW2 effectively refutes your assertion. Communism isn't beloved in the U.S. In fact Neo Nazis are much preferred to" Reds" in this country.

You can't even get people to admit that the U.S.S.R is the reason we won the war. Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill are provided with all the credit not Stalin. Strawman argument but what the hell.

Yea that Stalin guy gets a bad rap. Poor fella.


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I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

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I still don't understand this thread.


America going after LTG.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:

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denisdman wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:


Yeah that whole Hugo Chavez thing worked out huh?

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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it

Academics do but Communism in theory is pretty great.

The media is ready to impeach your hero because of contact.

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Don't have to go too far on a college campus to see a Che Guevara shirt.


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America wrote:
I believe you are thinking of Lada.

The Yugo came from Yugoslavia, a country that very desperately avoided picking between communism and the West in the Cold War years.



Tito Resisted communist rule.

His kid won two World Series. Nice family.


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Hold up, bub--if you are comparing Germany to the Soviet Union culturally--and you can go all the way back to Kievan Rus and throw that shit in there--I'll put C18 and C19 Germany against the Russian entirety and, frankly, any other culture ever. Not even close with Rusland.


No, I was just making a joke about how they quixotically put a ton of money into their metro systems while neglecting a lot of other stuff.

:lol: No, no--I get it, trust me.


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denisdman wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:



But not really though. It's all phony. That's the problem with American "socialists". At heart they're capitalists and there isn't a goddamn thing they can do about it. Selling socialism is a capitalist endeavor.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:



But not really though. It's all phony. That's the problem with American "socialists". At heart they're capitalists and there isn't a goddamn thing they can do about it. Selling socialism is a capitalist endeavor.

We need a dialectic or a healthy tug-of-war between both.


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pittmike wrote:
Russians/Soviets are a bit odd in their actions as a communist country. You would assume a communist collective want to live pretty harmoniously within its own borders and share/provide all the wealth and resources at its disposal. That would lead one to believe that invading and conquering are not really part of the manifesto.

I guess there are times when you need to have strategic geographic access to raw resources or sea access etc I guess but why world domination thoughts?


Communisms goal is world wide. It is an essential component of the belief system.

I don't really view it as an economic theory. It is much closer to a religion.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:



But not really though. It's all phony. That's the problem with American "socialists". At heart they're capitalists and there isn't a goddamn thing they can do about it. Selling socialism is a capitalist endeavor.


I was being sarcastic.....we're all capitalists. You are driving down the road and pull into the gas station selling petrol for 2 cents cheaper or fill up in the collar counties to save on taxes. If two people bid on your house, you're more likely to sell to the person offering a higher price.

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denisdman wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:



But not really though. It's all phony. That's the problem with American "socialists". At heart they're capitalists and there isn't a goddamn thing they can do about it. Selling socialism is a capitalist endeavor.


I was being sarcastic.....we're all capitalists. You are driving down the road and pull into the gas station selling petrol for 2 cents cheaper or fill up in the collar counties to save on taxes. If two people bid on your house, you're more likely to sell to the person offering a higher price.



No, many here sell it to the people more deserving and needing a break. :lol:

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But ltg is putting it on very open display. There is equivocating and excuses for Soviet atrocities and conquerism, no such quarter is afforded their mortal ideological enemy.


The fact that we initiated the Cold War with the U.S.S.R shortly after WW2 effectively refutes your assertion. Communism isn't beloved in the U.S. In fact Neo Nazis are much preferred to" Reds" in this country.

You can't even get people to admit that the U.S.S.R is the reason we won the war. Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill are provided with all the credit not Stalin. Strawman argument but what the hell.

Yea that Stalin guy gets a bad rap. Poor fella.


Wake me the next time that Morality has a leading role in any one of your arguments.

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America wrote:
Don't have to go too far on a college campus to see a Che Guevara shirt.

Che Guevara is celebrated for being a revolutionary and not a Communist.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I still don't understand this thread. Everyone is raised to hate Communists. That's why they call themselves Socialists even if they are actually more like the commies.

Academia and the media love them some commie bullshit and you know it


True I see all sorts of positive coverage of places like China, Cuba, and Venezuela. Our schools are overflowing with people looking to replicate the Cuban model. :roll:



But not really though. It's all phony. That's the problem with American "socialists". At heart they're capitalists and there isn't a goddamn thing they can do about it. Selling socialism is a capitalist endeavor.


I agree with this but much in the way that there isn't really pure socialism there also isn't really pure capitalism either. The sooner that all of the ideologues freely admit this the better we will be as a society. There are falsehoods being promoted on both sides.

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Right, it's all just varying shades of grey within a mixed economy. But admit that it's fun to think about the military invading Apple headquarters and nationalizing Apple. Get all their money out of Ireland at gunpoint.

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Right, it's all just varying shades of grey within a mixed economy. But admit that it's fun to think about the military invading Apple headquarters and nationalizing Apple. Get all their money out of Ireland at gunpoint.


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Don't have to go too far on a college campus to see a Che Guevara shirt.

Che Guevara is celebrated for being a revolutionary and not a Communist.

Oh so he's cool but the American revolutionaries are Actually Bad because they owned slaves 300 years ago and kicked the useless Indians out


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Don' forget Bruce Ohr's wife, the lovely Nellie, who is a Russia expert and commie apologizer.
She calls Stalin's starving of umpteen million Ukes, "excesses" and “sometimes represented desperate measures taken by a government that had little real control over the country.” Yeah, that is from her PhD thingy. Oh, yeah, she speaka da russian lingo tambien.
Seems many Obama officials loved them some commie bullshit.

'but trump! russia! and muh principles"-Comey and Herr Mueller

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