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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:01 pm 
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This really sucks. I blame whoever talked him into getting his haircut. It all went downhill from there.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:04 pm 
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Can you still be problematic on Twitter with this injury?

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:05 pm 
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Well that's the rebuild.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:06 pm 
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That's why the velo was missing.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:09 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:11 pm 
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The injuries this year. Robert, Hansen, Kopech, Burger, Adolfo...like half the guys they had in the top 100, and a couple who were top ~20, are just gone. Only Adolfo salvaged some of his status. What they're left with just isn't enough. Maybe to come in 2nd place because the Twins have collapsed and the Tigers/Royals aren't really trying...but they aren't getting to .500.

The rebuild is over. It failed today.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:13 pm 
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They gave up Sale for nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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Khalil Mack needs to decapitate Aaron Rodgers tomorrow to make me feel better.


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America wrote:
Khalil Mack needs to decapitate Aaron Rodgers tomorrow to make me feel better.

:lol:

Laughing with you not at you.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:16 pm 
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America wrote:
They gave up Sale for nothing.


You were with me earlier in the season on this.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:19 pm 
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That's fucking terrible for real.

I need that cross town World Series in my life.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:20 pm 
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Nas wrote:
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They gave up Sale for nothing.


You were with me earlier in the season on this.

Kopech looked like he had taken The Step.

Well he did.

But then his arm fell off.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:21 pm 
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Rebuilds based on starting pitching are risky business.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:23 pm 
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so clearly they shouldn't have made him come back out in the rain, eh?

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:24 pm 
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Did he get enough service time this year so it’s actually two years blown?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:27 pm 
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STL starts soon. Kaplan will be talking about this for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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So we lose a year of development, a year of team control, and have no guarantee he comes back as good as he was before.

This is going to fucking suck. It only took Coop/Herm 4 starts to ruin him.


I expect he will return to having control issues when he returns to the point where we are almost back to square one with him like we are seeing with Hansen

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:29 pm 
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He's done. Forget about it.

He'll never be the pitcher he was.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:31 pm 
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He’ll be fine. In about four years.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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America wrote:
That's why the velo was missing.


like I said, even in his 1-2 starts, hitters did not seem overwhelmed with his speed unlike what I was expected to believe

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Popular theory was they were holding him back. If they really just watched him lose like 4-5 mph off his fastball and didnt make anything of it...I dont know what to even say.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
So we lose a year of development, a year of team control, and have no guarantee he comes back as good as he was before.

This is going to fucking suck. It only took Coop/Herm 4 starts to ruin him.


I expect he will return to having control issues when he returns to the point where we are almost back to square one with him like we are seeing with Hansen

Kopech and Hansen are very different pitchers. I can’t blame Hansen’s control problems on an injury.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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America wrote:
Popular theory was they were holding him back. If they really just watched him lose like 4-5 mph off his fastball and didnt make anything of it...I dont know what to even say.


I agree. I never saw over 97 and assumed with everyone else that he was dialing it back (either his own choice or the team’s) for control.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:51 pm 
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My fucking God. This franchise can't catch a break.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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good dolphin wrote:
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That's why the velo was missing.


like I said, even in his 1-2 starts, hitters did not seem overwhelmed with his speed unlike what I was expected to believe

So when does the league start investing in non-fireball pitchers whose arms and shoulders don't give out every other year? I realize breaking balls mess with your body, too, but can't they teach 'em to pitch?


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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Kopech: "I just kind of assumed after every start it was soreness and then some starts I thought it might be a little more sore than others. I just didn’t ever put it in the category of pain. I put it in the category of soreness. I wouldn’t be able to pinpoint a time."

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Just happened slowly over time. My guess is the loss of velocity is exactly why the Sox started digging around to see what was up. Had he said something months ago its all averted but he just didn't know. I think the Sox minor league trainers are bad. His fate was probably sealed in AAA back in the middle of the summer.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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Tommy John Surgery has become commonplace for pitchers, especially young flame throwers like Kopech, so while it was at first a shock to hear this it is not totally unexpected. It's very disappointing but he'll return, most likely spring training 2020 and he'll more than likely throw just as hard or close to as hard. Next year will be about Eloy Jimenez and how his bat can alter the lineup. Hopefully, next season Rodon can stay healthy the entire season and become the leader of the staff, Giolito shows improvement, Lopez improves and Moncada takes a step forward in his development. Next year perhaps we'll see the call-ups of Cease, Madrigal, etc., and they can add to the excitement that Eloy adds to the team.


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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
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America wrote:
He's done. Forget about it.

He'll never be the pitcher he was.

Right, not a starter.

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 Post subject: Re: Kopech hurt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:56 pm 
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good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
So we lose a year of development, a year of team control, and have no guarantee he comes back as good as he was before.

This is going to fucking suck. It only took Coop/Herm 4 starts to ruin him.


I expect he will return to having control issues when he returns to the point where we are almost back to square one with him like we are seeing with Hansen

Luckily, starters have never been a smaller part of tbe game.


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This fad has popped up many times before. Starters are just the best way of doing it. Call me when somebody wins with the megapen.


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