Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
This isnt necesserally concealed carry specific. The point here is that if you see someone beating a woman to death in the street and you happen to have a pocket knife or a brick available to you you are permitted to use force to prevent the murder or grievous injury to the victim. It's a wonderful law. It allows you to defend yourself and defend your loved ones or maybe some stranger you see on the street getting raped or murdered. Would you prefer others stand by watching?
For the record, if I were in say a liquor store and witnessed an armed robbery I'd be justified in use of force to shoot the perp. I myself would not. Typically a guy robbing a liquor store is a coward and has no intention of shooting a clerk (although I'm aware this happens). The losses are insured. I'm not killing someone over a couple hundred dollars.
It brings up an interesting paradox. If he shot the clerk I would draw and fire if I was sure I could hit him and not someone behind him as well or an innocent in the way that hopefully i didnt tunnel vision out of my LOS. But did i do my proper duty as a good citizen and not prevent potential loss of life? I'm certainly not required to intervene. Should I have before waiting until it was too late? Could I have reasonably known the perp was going to drop the hammer on the clerk?
Either way this law is a good thing. Just because you are not a sworn peace officer doesn't mean you dont have certain responsibilities to contribute to your societies well being. We can arrest perps. That's been a part of the law for decades. We should help prevent death or injury to out fellow citizens.
I thought that was specific to CC. I have no problem with someone defending themselves or a loved one. It can get tricky when you intervene for someone else but in most cases I'm okay with it.
You're a responsible gun owner. I don't think any reasonable person who have read your thoughts on guns over the years would disagree. Everyone isn't. There are a lot of cowboys out here. While some of their hearts may be in the right place I generally prefer the trained professionals to do the shooting. What if the CC holder misses and hits innocent people? What if another CC holder mistakes the good citizen for a criminal? What of a responding officer does? There will be a lot of outrage. For the safety of all involved it should be a last resort type of thing.
Yeah I'd agree. I was on board hiatus at the time so I'm not sure if it was brought up... the parking lot shooting in Florida? The white guy who stalks people parking in the handicap spots and finally got around to shooting a black guy with whom he started an indirect confrontation? Did that come up here? Worthy of discussion if it didnt. Fascinating situation and an example of where I completely disagree on the application of a poorly worded stand your ground law.
I love ya but I kinda have to lol at your trainer professionals comment. From what I gather of this story the only guy to score a hit on the perp was the civ. I shoot a lot at the range. I regularly outshoot the cops I see at the range. Hell my neighbor is a McHenry Co. Sheriff and I am way better than he is and although I work long shifts 6 or 7 days a week I still shoot more often than he does. I'm not a trained pro but I practice more than most of them do and I can hold my own against them or outright outshoot them.
That's not to say that most CCL holders are good shots. In fact a few of them frighten me. In my training class I saw shit that would turn you white if you saw how they handled and aimed and used their firearms. God I wish the CCL skills demonstration segment was a LOT tougher than it was. As it is... 10 shots at 5, 7, 10 yards and all you have to do is score 7 of each in a standard silhouette. 7 of 10? Wow. Dude I'm plugging 3 or 4 inch groups at those ranges and that's not really even concentrating and trying.
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bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.
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