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 Post subject: 2018-19 Off Season
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Obviously they have a shit ton lot of work to do. I don't expect them to get everything done in one off season but they have to start filling in the many holes on the roster with long term players. I expect Eloy will be up in April to man one of the corner OF spots and Zack Collins will be up in the summer to catch. I'm hopeful Cease will also be up in the summer. To do list:

1. Release Welington Castillo
2. Find long term 3B
3. Acquire two starting pitchers
4. Acquire 2-3 impact relievers
5. Make a decision about Abreu and Avi. Sign or trade them
6. Delmonico, Davidson and Palka are redundant players. Make a decision on who to keep and who to trade


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A Quintana crap the bed special today would be a big confidence booster.
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1. Upgrade the Pitching staff.
2. Upgrade the OF.
3. Upgrade the IF.
4. Upgrade the coaching staff.
5. Upgrade the front office.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
1. Upgrade the Pitching staff.
2. Upgrade the OF.
3. Upgrade the IF.
4. Upgrade the coaching staff.
5. Upgrade the front office
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Would be 1 and 2 if I thought there was even a remote possibility it could happen.


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I like that but give him some position players to work with. Pitching isn't an issue.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Throw a boatload at Girardi and Machado. Cut bait with Avi and Delmonico. If swing and miss on Machado, maybe throw some of of that cash at Pollock, Cody Allen, and Moustakas if brewers dont pick up his option. If they do, make a deal to get Travis Shaw. None of the free agent SP do much for me. Maybe Tyson Ross.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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It appears as though people are losing hope after the way Kopech was handled. It's hard to feel enthusiastic about the rebuild after seeing so little from Moncada and Giolito

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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All the guys they have called up suck or are suffering long-term injuries. There is no reason to believe anymore. They have more holes now than they did this time last year, which is absolutely inexcusable at this stage in what is supposed to be a rebuild.

C- Narvaez - Good
1b- Abreu - Looks like he's breaking down
2b- Moncada - biggest MLB bust in a long time
ss- Anderson - passable
3b- ?
rf- ?
cf- ?
lf- ?

sp- Rodon - good
sp- Lopez - dying
sp- Giolito - dying
sp-?
sp-?

bullpen- will be pretty good

I have no faith that they will keep Eloy healthy. Madrigal cant replace Moncada soon enough, but the Sox are allergic to moving a guy through the system. The pitching cupboard is about bare, only Cease left and after the INCREDIBLE way they handled the Kopech situation I am already resigned to the inevitability of his upcoming surgery(ies?). Robert is a bust. Adolfo and Rutherford can play but you wont see them until 2020 at the earliest because the Sox are philosophically married to the idea of letting guys have major injuries go undiagnosed by the garbage trainers at their affiliates. Collins cant play a position and btw strike out like Moncada.

The Chris Sale trade may go down as one the worst ever. It makes me want to cry.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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All the guys they have called up suck or are suffering long-term injuries. There is no reason to believe anymore. They have more holes now than they did this time last year, which is absolutely inexcusable at this stage in what is supposed to be a rebuild.

C- Narvaez - Good
1b- Abreu - Looks like he's breaking down
2b- Moncada - biggest MLB bust in a long time
ss- Anderson - passable
3b- ?
rf- ?
cf- ?
lf- ?

sp- Rodon - good
sp- Lopez - dying
sp- Giolito - dying
sp-?
sp-?

bullpen- will be pretty good

I have no faith that they will keep Eloy healthy. Madrigal cant replace Moncada soon enough, but the Sox are allergic to moving a guy through the system. The pitching cupboard is about bare, only Cease left and after the INCREDIBLE way they handled the Kopech situation I am already resigned to the inevitability of his upcoming surgery(ies?). Robert is a bust. Adolfo and Rutherford can play but you wont see them until 2020 at the earliest because the Sox are philosophically married to the idea of letting guys have major injuries go undiagnosed by the garbage trainers at their affiliates. Collins cant play a position and btw strike out like Moncada.

The Chris Sale trade may go down as one the worst ever. It makes me want to cry.



Cease already had surgery.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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I know. So he's got the risk factor already.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Collins will never be better than Narvaez already is.


which is pretty good

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Moncada showed some improvement down the stretch much like Anderson did last year. If he takes that into next year and keeps getting better, I see no reason to lose all hope in him.

Pleasantly surprised in how Anderson improved this year. Started bad but then built on his last year improvement and made another leap. Hopefully this is for real and he doesn't struggle early again next year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Moncada showed some improvement down the stretch much like Anderson did last year. If he takes that into next year and keeps getting better, I see no reason to lose all hope in him.

Pleasantly surprised in how Anderson improved this year. Started bad but then built on his last year improvement and made another leap. Hopefully this is for real and he doesn't struggle early again next year.


I just cannot see Tim Anderson any higher than a bench player on a championship team....yet alone playing Short stop. Not a fan.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Moncada showed some improvement down the stretch much like Anderson did last year. If he takes that into next year and keeps getting better, I see no reason to lose all hope in him.

Pleasantly surprised in how Anderson improved this year. Started bad but then built on his last year improvement and made another leap. Hopefully this is for real and he doesn't struggle early again next year.


I just cannot see Tim Anderson any higher than a bench player on a championship team....yet alone playing Short stop. Not a fan.


I thought the same thing at the beginning of the year but if he builds on this year and continues to get better I think he could be really solid.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Obviously they have a shit ton lot of work to do. I don't expect them to get everything done in one off season but they have to start filling in the many holes on the roster with long term players. I expect Eloy will be up in April to man one of the corner OF spots and Zack Collins will be up in the summer to catch. I'm hopeful Cease will also be up in the summer. To do list:

1. Release Welington Castillo
2. Find long term 3B
3. Acquire two starting pitchers
4. Acquire 2-3 impact relievers
5. Make a decision about Abreu and Avi. Sign or trade them
6. Delmonico, Davidson and Palka are redundant players. Make a decision on who to keep and who to trade


I think Davidson and Palka should stay. Delmonico needs to go. They need an impact center fielder also unless they move Anderson to center field in which case, they will need a short-stop. A catcher should be a must. IT is the most important position on a team and they need one badly.

I agree greatly with the need for two young but experienced starting pitchers with an upside are required. And I also agree that they do need at least two good relievers.

However, I do not believe that the Sox brass have anykind of a plan in any of this. The "rebuild" is a farce. It didn't make any sense since the on-set. The young players that they obtained were all over the spector in terms of age and experience level. Their plan was scatter brained to begin with.

Hahn, I think has gotten way too much of a pass in all of this. I think that it is so very easy to trade "stars" for prospects and to trust the gullible public to believe him in all of this. Remember the stupid sales job they gave the public in Chicago in selling this "plan" as something that they thought deeply about. First of all, Reinny is a piece of shit and senile owner. Williams is a token black guy who has one exactly one championship in his tenure and sould have had more but he fucked it all up including keeping the brain dead Ozzie on board way too long.

And the gullible White Sox fans saw the Astros set up a dynasty and the Cubs winning a World Series and believed in the fantasy land of Chicago that the White Sox could just give away their best pitchers and build a new dynasty. It is BULLSHIT. Hahn is not a soothsayer of baseball talent. IF he was he would have gotten better returns for the two excellent starting pitchers that they gave up as well as highly capable relief pitchers. He didn't have a plan. Not hardly. He never put a road map together which documented the anticipated PROGRESSION on the talent that they needed and when they needed it to occur. Instead it was a dart game in which wherever the dart landed on someone's estimation of a potential talented player.

As a fan and as a guy who understands young baseball talent, my opinion is that the Sox management and knack for developing talent is very weak and has been for a long long time. And until Reinny and company get keelhauled, the White Sox will never be good again.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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You buy relievers when your team is good. The team isn't good. They need a long term 3rd baseman. They need at least 2 starters. They have enough outfielders in the minors. They have more than enough catchers. Need to trade Castillo. Next year will be the last step in flushing out players like Avi and Abreu. So don't expect anything next season.


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There's no way they can go out in one off season and sign players to fill all of the holes in the field and the pitching staff. They need to go out and sign some relievers with an eye towards keeping them this year as opposed to trading them away for spare parts, and then hope that they can develop the rest. Also, starting pitching is probably the last thing they need right now. They might actually have three major league starters in Rodon, Lopez, and Giolito.


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Rodon crapped the bed his last 3 starts. The shoulder was probably breaking down as it had in 2016 and 2017. Trade him for a 3rd baseman if we can't miraculously sign Machado. Other than that, I wouldn't panic and spend a bunch of money on relievers on a down year. I might even be hoping for a slow start to get rid of Ricky. I can't help but think Kopech was a big blow and championship aspirations were put back to 2021.


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Rodon crapped the bed his last 3 starts. The shoulder was probably breaking down as it had in 2016 and 2017. Trade him for a 3rd baseman if we can't miraculously sign Machado. Other than that, I wouldn't panic and spend a bunch of money on relievers on a down year. I might even be hoping for a slow start to get rid of Ricky. I can't help but think Kopech was a big blow and championship aspirations were put back to 2021.


My thoughts on the relievers are I don't think they can withstand another 100 loss year. Spending some money on a few relievers is a quick and relatively cheap way to pick up five to ten wins, and will not tie their hands for years to come like signing Machado.


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Fire Ricky. There has been zero progress in two seasons.

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Fire Ricky. There has been zero progress in two seasons.



I agree with letting Ricky go, I just don't think he is the guy to take them to the next level. His use of the bullpen is ridiculous.


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He’s teaching them how to be good losers.


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He’s teaching them how to be good losers.
MANY of them already got enough of that from Ventura.

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He’s teaching them how to be good losers.
MANY of them already got enough of that from Ventura.


Renteria is teaching them in Spanish. It takes longer.


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They have $10M committed to payroll next year. Bump the payroll to $120M the next couple of years and try to win an awful division while the kids develop with this lineup:

8 Moncada
7 Jimenez
9 Harper
5 Donaldson
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3 Abreu
2 Navarez
6 Anderson
4 Sanchez

Sign Happ and Harvey for the rotation.


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Throw a boatload at Girardi and Machado.

Girardi is a pipedream. This team will never hire a real manager until Reinsdorf croaks.

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