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Jobs aren't eliminated just because they can be automated. They are eliminated when automating them costs less than having them not automated. By raising the minimum wage, more jobs will possibly be marked for elimination because a robot can do the same work less cost/hour.
It does add some to the cost difference but automation has so many advantages that it will be done regardless, and let's be honest, if a $15/hr employee could be automated and save money then it's likely a $8/hr employee could be automated too. The cost savings of a $0/hr employee that can't sue you and does whatever you say and is always there and can work multiple shifts is pretty good.


This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.


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Does anyone use the new GMail at your office? It's getting very good at guessing your response to most emails. I would guess that marketing automation for many tasks is here.

Maybe BLUEHOST could introduce this technology. MANY on CFMB make predictable responses to most threads.

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Does anyone use the new GMail at your office? It's getting very good at guessing your response to most emails. I would guess that marketing automation for many tasks is here.


Yep.

It filled in my most used curse word automatically today.

I was impressed.

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Does anyone use the new GMail at your office? It's getting very good at guessing your response to most emails. I would guess that marketing automation for many tasks is here.

Maybe BLUEHOST could introduce this technology. MANY on CFMB make predictable responses to most threads.

You were listening.

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This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.


Again, this is wrong.


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Bill costs $15/hr to load boxes at the plant. Silvy costs $12/hr.

Who are you going to hire?

Silvy is a robot.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.


Again, this is wrong.
You clearly don't understand the decisions between automating something and not. You are just looking at the wage earned against the cost to run the machine.

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Bill costs $15/hr to load boxes at the plant. Silvy costs $12/hr.

Who are you going to hire?

Silvy is a robot.
You hire Silvy, and you hire Silvy if if Bill is willing to work for $10/hr too.

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This is like beating your head against a wall. The minimum wage should be between $15 per hour and $300.

Choose a lane.


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This is like beating your head against a wall. The minimum wage should be between $15 per hour and $300.

Choose a lane.

I choose $15 an hour.

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It seems to me that the people arguing with Brick here are, or are representative of the folks arguing with him over the necessity of bailing out the auto industry. Specifically iirc,those same folks basically advocated for ignoring the far reaching implications of letting failure win the day and ridiculed the notion that the government investment and subsequent IPO investors would ever see a positive return on their investments. But instead to allow the unfettered free market to rule absent government involvement.

And to hell with the unemployed workers who would've taken it in the shorts.

And are currently lauding Nafta advances for labor despite them being already approved by all parties except congressional republicans nearly two years ago under the other guy.

I'm sticking with economist Brick.

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Hey Brick, if $15 an hour is great, why not $16 to really help them out. Everyone, regardless of skill, should be able to afford a car, so $20. But they need a house, so $30 makes more sense. And vacations are necessary, so $40.

Why is $15 the right number? Why not more? Amazon has a Trillion dollar market cap. Bezos is one of the wealthiest guys in the world. Why stop at $15?

It should be more fair—to each according to their needs, from each according to their means.


It is fact the minimum wage laws were created for and intended to be a living wage. Any 40 hour a week job should be able to support a basic dwelling and bills without government support. What you are arguing is many people who work don't deserve a basic lifestyle.

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Bill costs $15/hr to load boxes at the plant. Silvy costs $12/hr.

Who are you going to hire?

Silvy is a robot.


And bill now has cheap resources to pursue new careers that weren't possible before the robots took over remedial shitty jobs.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.


Again, this is wrong.
You clearly don't understand the decisions between automating something and not. You are just looking at the wage earned against the cost to run the machine.



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someone told me Amazon hires ex military guys to be hardass managers in their warehouses. and they work the people to death. can't even take a bathroom break.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Does anyone use the new GMail at your office? It's getting very good at guessing your response to most emails. I would guess that marketing automation for many tasks is here.

Maybe BLUEHOST could introduce this technology. MANY on CFMB make predictable responses to most threads.

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Automating your own job- is it ethical?

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
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This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.


Again, this is wrong.
You clearly don't understand the decisions between automating something and not. You are just looking at the wage earned against the cost to run the machine.



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why is it funny that you’re wrong :scratch:

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
This is very wrong. If automating doesn't make things cheaper, it will not be done. And automation does not cost $0/hr.
There is more than an hourly wage for an employee in terms of cost. My point is that if a few dollars an hour difference is going to make a difference between automate and don't automate then it will be done regardless. To put it another way, automation has to be WAY more expensive to not be done for an employee. So, the added labor cost won't make a huge difference and if it does then automation was inevitable anyways. To use the same example I did before, go look at what happens behind the counter at McDonalds now. The minimum wage has not changed remarkably and the kitchen is more robot than person.


Again, this is wrong.
You clearly don't understand the decisions between automating something and not. You are just looking at the wage earned against the cost to run the machine.



:lol:
why is it funny that you’re wrong :scratch:


Brick is the one confusing the whole situation and showing zero understanding of costs of production, why companies make decisions, and basic understanding of how how publicly traded companies run.

But hey, whatever makes him happy. Never been an argument Brick didn’t think he won.


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I don’t say this often but BRick is very much right on this.

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so reading one of my friend's posts from FB today who still works at amazon...sounds like those who have been with the company a while are getting screwed. losing benefits like stock options (which used to be a big hiring point in the past), and apparently isn't going to affect their paychecks in a good way really. according to her, it helps new hires, but not those who have stayed with the company.

in other words, the ones who made the company the biggest internet retailer in the world. great job, bezos.


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Heisenberg wrote:
Hey Brick, if $15 an hour is great, why not $16 to really help them out. Everyone, regardless of skill, should be able to afford a car, so $20. But they need a house, so $30 makes more sense. And vacations are necessary, so $40.

Why is $15 the right number? Why not more? Amazon has a Trillion dollar market cap. Bezos is one of the wealthiest guys in the world. Why stop at $15?

It should be more fair—to each according to their needs, from each according to their means.

How about keeping up with inflation from where minimum wage was originally introduced?


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Heisenberg wrote:
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1. How do you know the original minimum wage was set correctly?
I believe the attempt was to try and accomplish the second point but for whatever reason that was chosen and it should at least keep up with inflation if not coming closer to productivity gains.
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2. Correct. When I was 16 bagging groceries at Jewel, I deserved to make more. I was full time during the summers. That is your criteria.
Sure. Anyone who is working full time for minimum wage isn't doing it for the enjoyment of it. They may be saving for college, or helping their family, or they may just be a hard worker who wants to make money early on. Let them make a decent wage 3 months out of the year too.


Wow. Ok, so an 18 year old working at Starbucks should make at least $15 per hour? And the Jewel bagger? And your landscaper? Gutter cleaner? Maid?

Holy inflation!

I always love when people are aghast at the idea that full time workers make 30K per year


And you actually threw landscaper and gutter cleaner in there?


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Heisenberg wrote:
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Wow. Ok, so an 18 year old working at Starbucks should make at least $15 per hour? And the Jewel bagger? And your landscaper? Gutter cleaner? Maid?

Holy inflation!
There would be some inflation but that is mostly because minimum wage should have been matching inflation already.

You aren't going to convince me I am wrong by stating that the people that provide me a service are going to be able to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves with the wage they get. I would be happy with that.

You proved my point. At best, you are a socialist. At worst, a communist.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I still don’t understand why they raised it by $3per hour, when it could have been $4.

Why not by $1 billion? $1 billion and $12 an hour sounds pretty good to me!



Seriously, Rick, obviously you think there's some line there where a minimum would be detrimental rather than helpful, where is that line? Exactly $15? If so, what is the basis for that number?

Reverse engineer it from the standpoint of needing govt aid.


We're paying these people 15/hr one way or another. That's another part MANY seem to not understand.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I still don’t understand why they raised it by $3per hour, when it could have been $4.

Why not by $1 billion? $1 billion and $12 an hour sounds pretty good to me!



Seriously, Rick, obviously you think there's some line there where a minimum would be detrimental rather than helpful, where is that line? Exactly $15? If so, what is the basis for that number?

Reverse engineer it from the standpoint of needing govt aid.


We're paying these people 15/hr one way or another. That's another part MANY seem to not understand.


Who are minorities,Alex?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:33 am 
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Heisenberg wrote:
I still don’t understand why they raised it by $3per hour, when it could have been $4.

Why not by $1 billion? $1 billion and $12 an hour sounds pretty good to me!



Seriously, Rick, obviously you think there's some line there where a minimum would be detrimental rather than helpful, where is that line? Exactly $15? If so, what is the basis for that number?

Reverse engineer it from the standpoint of needing govt aid.


We're paying these people 15/hr one way or another. That's another part MANY seem to not understand.

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