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Why would you get rid of the guy. Get him some counseling including ways to cope with stress during the off season and suspension. Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate the behavior?

That's exactly what will happen, imo.


That was clear. Even adding in the Nas comment about a different era it is the right thing to do. If for no other reason than after the suspension you trade him and get something at the deadline next year.

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Why would you get rid of the guy. Get him some counseling including ways to cope with stress during the off season and suspension. Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate the behavior?

Because he sucks at baseball.


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Why would you get rid of the guy. Get him some counseling including ways to cope with stress during the off season and suspension. Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate the behavior?

Because he sucks at baseball.

Bob is right here....he's not that good. They missed out on selling high on him after the WS win.

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 Post subject: Re: Addison Russell
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He's not what many hoped but a great defensive SS with a little pop is a valuable asset.


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 Post subject: Re: Addison Russell
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Why would you get rid of the guy. Get him some counseling including ways to cope with stress during the off season and suspension. Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate the behavior?

That's exactly what will happen, imo.

I think so too, but Theos answer of "i dont know" seems odd. That leaves door way open for them to move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Addison Russell
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rogers park bryan wrote:
He's not what many hoped but a great defensive SS with a little pop is a valuable asset.


Yep. That plays on about 75% of MLB teams (although it is kind of a golden era for SS right now)

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Not to excuse anything he may have done, but I can see how playing in the shadow of Baez would make someone like Russell insecure and stressed out. I think he would probably be better off somewhere else where he is not always hearing whispers that the other guy is a better SS. Baez's improvement at the plate probably made it even worse.

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Why would you get rid of the guy. Get him some counseling including ways to cope with stress during the off season and suspension. Shouldn't the goal be to eliminate the behavior?

Because he sucks at baseball.

Or because you sign Machado

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 Post subject: Re: Addison Russell
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good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
He's not what many hoped but a great defensive SS with a little pop is a valuable asset.


Yep. That plays on about 75% of MLB teams (although it is kind of a golden era for SS right now)

Also, having he and Baez in the middle is a luxury and that missing luxury was very evident once Murphy took over at 2b


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Not to excuse anything he may have done, but I can see how playing in the shadow of Baez would make someone like Russell insecure and stressed out. I think he would probably be better off somewhere else where he is not always hearing whispers that the other guy is a better SS. Baez's improvement at the plate probably made it even worse.



Russell was the golden boy. He turned to shit. Baez was shit and turned into the golden boy. Not a reason to beat your wife (or break her phone, or whatever).


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Not to excuse anything he may have done, but I can see how playing in the shadow of Baez would make someone like Russell insecure and stressed out. I think he would probably be better off somewhere else where he is not always hearing whispers that the other guy is a better SS. Baez's improvement at the plate probably made it even worse.

This was going on as far back as 2016 when Baez was still thought of as a possible bust and Russ was the toast of the town.

He's just a frat boy douchebag. See The Chive shirt.


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 Post subject: Re: Addison Russell
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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

I think it will be great for Baez. He loves the spotlight and SS is THE most important defensive position on the field. If they were to keep Russell (I don't think they should and don't believe they will) he should be switched back to 2B where he started his Cubs career, as Baez has the vastly superior arm.

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Did the ex wife ever describe the physicality? I cant find anything other than her mentioning he "got physical"


Not to downplay it, but that's a pretty wide berth. Did he grab her elbow or punch her in the face?


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Did the ex wife ever describe the physicality? I cant find anything other than her mentioning he "got physical"


Not to downplay it, but that's a pretty wide berth. Did he grab her elbow or punch her in the face?


Regardless, she probably had it coming anyways.


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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

I think it will be great for Baez. He loves the spotlight and SS is THE most important defensive position on the field. If they were to keep Russell (I don't think they should and don't believe they will) he should be switched back to 2B where he started his Cubs career, as Baez has the vastly superior arm.


Pitcher and catcher are more premiere defensive positions. That is why you see what seems like an entire league of catchers with vomitous offensive numbers.

but more to my point, SS takes a greater toll on the body and mind over a season than second.

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Steve completed ignored your point about Baez's offense.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
He's not what many hoped but a great defensive SS with a little pop is a valuable asset.


Uh, he hit five bombs in 2017 in 130 games. That doesn't even qualify as "a little pop".


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He's not what many hoped but a great defensive SS with a little pop is a valuable asset.


Uh, he hit five bombs in 2017 in 130 games. That doesn't even qualify as "a little pop".

one year out of 4

The other years he hit 13, 21, and 12 which qualifies.


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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

I think it will be great for Baez. He loves the spotlight and SS is THE most important defensive position on the field. If they were to keep Russell (I don't think they should and don't believe they will) he should be switched back to 2B where he started his Cubs career, as Baez has the vastly superior arm.


Pitcher and catcher are more premiere defensive positions. That is why you see what seems like an entire league of catchers with vomitous offensive numbers.

but more to my point, SS takes a greater toll on the body and mind over a season than second.


SS is much more important than any other position. The fact you argue for the catcher is laughable. A catcher doesn't have to turn double plays, his range is not an issue and doesn't have to make relay throws. Any baseball expert will tell you that SS is the crucial position.

The season Javy just had, will be tough to top. The HR and RBI numbers particularly, will be hard to top. But I think he will increase his OBP and runs scored.
The Cubs will need to look at who they will count on to spell Javy now and then. I don't think they really have a good option at SS after Russell and Baez. They have guys who can play there in a pinch like Bode, but not that you would feel great about, having to fill in for a couple.weeks.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

I think it will be great for Baez. He loves the spotlight and SS is THE most important defensive position on the field. If they were to keep Russell (I don't think they should and don't believe they will) he should be switched back to 2B where he started his Cubs career, as Baez has the vastly superior arm.


Pitcher and catcher are more premiere defensive positions. That is why you see what seems like an entire league of catchers with vomitous offensive numbers.

but more to my point, SS takes a greater toll on the body and mind over a season than second.


SS is much more important than any other position. The fact you argue for the catcher is laughable. A catcher doesn't have to turn double plays, his range is not an issue and doesn't have to make relay throws. Any baseball expert will tell you that SS is the crucial position.

No.

Literally, most times the debate begins "Apart from catcher, what is the most important defensive position?"


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Catcher is more important than shortstop, but the notion of Baez's hitting suffering because of the mental fatigue of being a shortstop is some amusing wishcasting.

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Catcher is more important than shortstop, but the notion of Baez's hitting suffering because of the mental fatigue of being a shortstop is some amusing wishcasting.

I assumed he meant the physical demands of SS vs. 2b.


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Catcher is more important than shortstop, but the notion of Baez's hitting suffering because of the mental fatigue of being a shortstop is some amusing wishcasting.

I assumed he meant the physical demands of SS vs. 2b.

He said it would take a toll on Baez's mind.

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Catcher is more important than shortstop, but the notion of Baez's hitting suffering because of the mental fatigue of being a shortstop is some amusing wishcasting.

I assumed he meant the physical demands of SS vs. 2b.

He said it would take a toll on Baez's mind.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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as I've said before, I'd be very interested to see what 150 games at SS each season does to Baez offense

I think it will be great for Baez. He loves the spotlight and SS is THE most important defensive position on the field. If they were to keep Russell (I don't think they should and don't believe they will) he should be switched back to 2B where he started his Cubs career, as Baez has the vastly superior arm.


Pitcher and catcher are more premiere defensive positions. That is why you see what seems like an entire league of catchers with vomitous offensive numbers.

but more to my point, SS takes a greater toll on the body and mind over a season than second.


SS is much more important than any other position. The fact you argue for the catcher is laughable. A catcher doesn't have to turn double plays, his range is not an issue and doesn't have to make relay throws. Any baseball expert will tell you that SS is the crucial position..


Is Bill James an expert?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_spectrum

I can accept it if you don't think so but I have a feeling I could come up with some people you do think are experts who support me

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Catcher is more important than shortstop, but the notion of Baez's hitting suffering because of the mental fatigue of being a shortstop is some amusing wishcasting.

I assumed he meant the physical demands of SS vs. 2b.

He said it would take a toll on Baez's mind.

and body! We're both right!

We both get trophies!


I don't know how you two uncovered that information but congrats on the research

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Yikes.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mot ... 00128.html

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Last year Melisa Reidy-Russell, the ex-wife of Cubs shortstop Addison Russell and the mother of his son, came forward with a blog post detailing years of abuse from Russell. The Cubs placed Russell on administrative leave. Ultimately, Russell agreed to serve a 40-game suspension without pay. The suspension carries over into 2019 as he will miss the first 29 games of the 2019 season.


Today, at the website Expanded Roster, Kelly Wallace tells Melisa Reidy-Russell’s story in painful, painful detail, and it’s even worse than we knew before:
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There were other violent acts, threats of violence and what sounds like pervasive emotional abuse and manipulation. That all was in addition to Russell’s serial philandering and lying and his habit of saying that his wife, somehow, made him act that way and was responsible for her own abuse. Taken together, Russell comes off as an utterly horrifying figure who put his wife through a terrible few years.

But that’s not all that has come out about Russell in the past 24 hours.

Mallory Engstrom also has a child with Russell. Indeed, their daughter — conceived and born while Russell was engaged to Reidy-Russell — was born before Russell’s and Reidy-Russell’s son. According to an Instagram post Engstrom published yesterday, Russell is a largely absent father who has attempted to get out of his financial responsibilities to his daughter. Engstrom says, “I’ve never once been able to rely on my daughter’s father to care for her in a time of need or while I am working.” She adds that Russell once paid his child support with $600 worth of quarters and dollar bills despite the fact that he has made millions playing baseball.

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They have to be hoping he has a good first half and they trade him.

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