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Is Murphy back next year? I thought he was a free agent

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Cub fans (and probably Theo himself) still retain a bloated perspective of what Schwarber is as a player.

I dont get that sense anymore.



I think Schwarbs was one of those players when Theo said they need to start focusing on a player's production more than his talent.

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Is Murphy back next year? I thought he was a free agent

He is a free agent. But I think the Cubs are actually the most logical landing spot for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Yeah, I see Murphy back as long as the contract demand is seemingly market value. And Harper was very comfortable hitting next to Murphy for a few years.

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I'll pass on Murphy, 34 next year? His best days are behind him and his range is shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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If they adopt the DH in the NL then I can see it otherwise he is gone. He sucks at 2b now and will only get worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so. Then, he can sign with whatever team he likes. it would be cheaper than trading him and having to eat half of the 100 million left on his deal. Then you go trade Haap and Russell for a 2nd baseman that is also a leadoff hitter if at all possible. Sign Manny Machado or Bryce Harper. Almora is in CF every day, Schwarber in LF every day and if they sign Machado, Bryant moves to the outfield. if they sign Harper, he stays at 3B. Bring back Hamels and hope Darvish is healthy in 2019. Bring Chavez back to go along with Morrow, Strop Rosario and Cishek. Wilson is a free agent, so a lefty relief pitcher (that is more reliable ) would be nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Murphy looked done w/ his Cubs tenure. I don't want him back. Seems like he hit the downside of his career really hard.

Seems like Harper wants to come here, but he's said the same to other clubs. Even w/ Harper here, his star has sort of diminished this year. I would like to have him but I'd rather have some arms.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so. Then, he can sign with whatever team he likes. it would be cheaper than trading him and having to eat half of the 100 million left on his deal. Then you go trade Haap and Russell for a 2nd baseman that is also a leadoff hitter if at all possible. Sign Manny Machado or Bryce Harper. Almora is in CF every day, Schwarber in LF every day and if they sign Machado, Bryant moves to the outfield. if they sign Harper, he stays at 3B. Bring back Hamels and hope Darvish is healthy in 2019. Bring Chavez back to go along with Morrow, Strop Rosario and Cishek. Wilson is a free agent, so a lefty relief pitcher (that is more reliable ) would be nice.


didn't the league and players union have trouble with ARod when he tried to similarly opt out?

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Happ will never be Baez, but he is certainly more than capable to manning 2B poorly, just like most 2B do.

Also, not true.

Bad infielders are more often hidden at 1b or 3b. You're just way off here, man.


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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so.

:lol: :lol:

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so.

:lol: :lol:

Jason, we'd like to trade you 30 million of our dollars for 100 million of yours.


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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Douchebag wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so.

:lol: :lol:

Jason, we'd like to trade you 30 million of our dollars for 100 million of yours.
:lol: Elmhurst Kirk math.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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I think I found the guy I want. Schwarber to Tampa for Mallex Smith.
Now you can Sign Harper and the lineup starts to take shape nicely. I also want Freddy Galvis at 2b.

1. Smith CF
2. Bryant 3b
3. Harper RF
4. Rizzo 1b
5. Baez SS
6. Contreras C
7. Heyward
8. Galvis 2b

Bench Almora, Zobrist, Happ/Bote(both have options I believe), veteran catcher tbd who can teach dipshit the finer points of catching

There is a ton of flexibility with that lineup. Harper can play 1b, Bryant can play LF, Heyward can play CF, Almora can play anywhere in the OF, Bote can play the entire IF and OF, Happ can play the OF, Galvis is decent at SS, Contreras can play the OF, Baez can play the entire IF and Z can play 2b and the OF. That being said they can probably trade Happ or Almora as well and get some pitching. I don't want the problem of this year where Joe has 162 different lineups.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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I think I found the guy I want. Schwarber to Tampa for Mallex Smith.

Why would Tampa make that deal?


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I think I found the guy I want. Schwarber to Tampa for Mallex Smith.

Why would Tampa make that deal?


Because "some" Cub fans not you think like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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They need to sell tickets and he is nationally known and people will come to watch him long dongs. They can put him at DH and he will get them 30 85 at least. Smith is just a guy to them. They also have 2 OF prospects that should be ready next year as well. Both are excellent defenders with speed (1 plays CF and the other can play there but is in LF now because they were on the same minor league team)

Its also not like Smith is this amazing MVP candidate player. He is just a guy....but a guy who fits EXACTLY what the Cubs are missing. I think he was traded for a guy that the cubs picked up off the scrap heap in Drew Smyly.

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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They need to sell tickets and he is nationally known and people will come to watch him long dongs.
Nailed it. If there is one problem that the Cubs have, its filling their ballpark.

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They need to sell tickets and he is nationally known and people will come to watch him long dongs.
Nailed it. If there is one problem that the Cubs have, its filling their ballpark.

You should re read those posts to understand what was being said before you rip off another sarcastic post.

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Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so.

:lol: :lol:

Jason, we'd like to trade you 30 million of our dollars for 100 million of yours.
:lol: Elmhurst Kirk math.

Not to mention that the MLB Players Association would be all over that setup.

The entire idea that you can't structure a MLB contract with team-goal incentives is insane. Theo should be able to walk up to Bryce Harper and Manny Machado and say: "The offer is $15M/year for 8 years, plus $25M per WS game victory and $200M per WS championship, no cap. First one to sign gets it. Here's my cell number."

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Ah. Schwarber would hit those bombs in Tampa.

My mistake, umn

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 Post subject: Re: Fix the Cubs
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Caratini, Happ, and Bote for Trout and Ohtani


who says no?

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who says no?

I think we would need to make them eat Chatwood's contract as well.

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1. Fire Chilli Davis
2. Get a real leadoff hitter
3. Get rid of pimpstrut/wifebeater/impregnator
4. Trade 2/3 of Happ-Almora-Schwarber
5. Hire the best catching coach available to make contreras reach his potential.
6. Get Harper
7. Get a starting 2b (maybe find a way to dump Schwarber off to Seattle for Segura) Then he and Javy and battle for SS/2b)
8.Re-enforce the bullpen.
9. Threaten to fire whomever hired Chilli Davis
10. Fire the head athletic trainer and strength coach (one couldn't figure out what was wrong with Darvish and the other is a fat/drunk slob who wears a speedo to team stretch because somehow that is still hilarious)


Why does a lead-off hitter matter IF lineups don't matter? I've heard Maddon say that the ordering of the lineup makes no difference, you're going to win the same amount of games regardless.


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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
1. Fire Chilli Davis
2. Get a real leadoff hitter
3. Get rid of pimpstrut/wifebeater/impregnator
4. Trade 2/3 of Happ-Almora-Schwarber
5. Hire the best catching coach available to make contreras reach his potential.
6. Get Harper
7. Get a starting 2b (maybe find a way to dump Schwarber off to Seattle for Segura) Then he and Javy and battle for SS/2b)
8.Re-enforce the bullpen.
9. Threaten to fire whomever hired Chilli Davis
10. Fire the head athletic trainer and strength coach (one couldn't figure out what was wrong with Darvish and the other is a fat/drunk slob who wears a speedo to team stretch because somehow that is still hilarious)


Why does a lead-off hitter matter IF lineups don't matter? I've heard Maddon say that the ordering of the lineup makes no difference, you're going to win the same amount of games regardless.


Ya and the World Series year all Maddon said was You go We go in reference to their LEADOFF hitter. He is a smart guy and smooth enough to say whatever fits the narrative and sound sincere.

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Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so. Then, he can sign with whatever team he likes. it would be cheaper than trading him and having to eat half of the 100 million left on his deal. Then you go trade Haap and Russell for a 2nd baseman that is also a leadoff hitter if at all possible. Sign Manny Machado or Bryce Harper. Almora is in CF every day, Schwarber in LF every day and if they sign Machado, Bryant moves to the outfield. if they sign Harper, he stays at 3B. Bring back Hamels and hope Darvish is healthy in 2019. Bring Chavez back to go along with Morrow, Strop Rosario and Cishek. Wilson is a free agent, so a lefty relief pitcher (that is more reliable ) would be nice.


didn't the league and players union have trouble with ARod when he tried to similarly opt out?


The players union would go ape shit. But Heyward has the option out, so everything would be proper. The Cubs would simply giving him a nice 'gift'

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Okay, this is how you REALLY fix the Cubs. You call Jason Heyward into the office and remind him of the out in his contract he could exercise. Then you explain that as much as you appreciate the effort he has given, the club would like to go in another direction. But the team recognizes that it would likely mean Heyward would be sacrificing money, should he exercise that out, so the Cubs will offer him 30 million dollars to do so.

:lol: :lol:

Jason, we'd like to trade you 30 million of our dollars for 100 million of yours.


He can then sign a long term deal with another team for whatever the market bears. It's not like the 30 million dollar payoff would require him to retire.

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