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I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.


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I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.


I've said it before, but the problem is due to the lack of contact practices that build continuity of offensive lines. Myopic people looked at Walsh's practices of the 80's and didn't learn the correct lessons in the hyperbolic need for "player safety". They still mistake smart & efficient with soft. Too many coaches still subscribe to the idiotic "Junction Boys" practice mentality, all the way down to youth football which remains the bigger long term problem imo. (See Maryland)

Fans need the hits, otherwise it's all the pinball football of the current trend.

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I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.
They will just make it a judgement call and not up for review just like "in the grasp" is now.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.
They will just make it a judgement call and not up for review just like "in the grasp" is now.

so the ref decides what a sack is?

the league isn't this stupid.


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America wrote:
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I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.
They will just make it a judgement call and not up for review just like "in the grasp" is now.

so the ref decides what a sack is?

the league isn't this stupid.
This is already the rule for "in the grasp".

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I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.
They will just make it a judgement call and not up for review just like "in the grasp" is now.

so the ref decides what a sack is?

the league isn't this stupid.


Even in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, you honestly feel that way?

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there's also forward progress. Those calls do not come without their share of controversy.

But to basically have referees decide when a QB is going to be imminently tackled will never fly. Players will all hate it, coaches will hate it, fans will hate it, refs will hate it and ultimately it wont protect anyone because injuries like Garappolo's will still happen. I know you will argue about this for literally hours because once you have it in your mind that something is true there is no telling you that what you believe is certain just isn't so, so I'll stop here.

Your idea has probably discussed and certainly been dismissed.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think it's almost inevitable that having 2 hands on a quarterback or a push with one will have to be called a sack.

Nah that's just too exploitable. You want the replay review of some defensive end desperately grazing the QB with his second hand and the play being automatically blown dead as a sack?

What they are going to do is force arm tackles, the absolute cleanest of the clean shoulder tackles and strips. Hell, that's basically what they are doing now.
They will just make it a judgement call and not up for review just like "in the grasp" is now.

so the ref decides what a sack is?

the league isn't this stupid.


Even in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, you honestly feel that way?

They changed the helmet rule in the preseason and it is very easy to bring down QB's without body slamming them. The league has been very clear on what not to do, if players like Matthews insist on doing it they have nobody to blame but themselves.


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there's also forward progress. Those calls do not come without their share of controversy.

But to basically have referees decide when a QB is going to be imminently tackled will never fly. Players will all hate it, coaches will hate it, fans will hate it, refs will hate it and ultimately it wont protect anyone because injuries like Garappolo's will still happen. I know you will argue about this for literally hours because once you have it in your mind that something is true there is no telling you that what you believe is certain just isn't so, so I'll stop here.

Your idea has probably discussed and certainly been dismissed.

There is controversy now about how to tackle. 2 hands on quarterback or 1 hand and a push = tackled. The defenses then know what to do. In fact, it's pretty much what they do in scrimmages.

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Guys just have to relearn their technique. Gayboi Clay probably doesn't think the league is going soft when they coddle Rodgers.

They haven't coddled Rodgers at all. He's shown a shitload of toughness this year. He's probably playing in a torn acl right now.


Wow, he broke his collarbone last year and tore his ACL(U) this year? Sounds like he is injury prone!

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FF would certainly admit his insistence that Rodgers is as durable as ever is wrong. He is one hardy fucker though, toughest gay quarterback in history no doubt.


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Guys just have to relearn their technique. Gayboi Clay probably doesn't think the league is going soft when they coddle Rodgers.

They haven't coddled Rodgers at all. He's shown a shitload of toughness this year. He's probably playing in a torn acl right now.


Wow, he broke his collarbone last year and tore his ACL(U) this year? Sounds like he is injury prone!



Green Bay's version of a young Jim McMahon?

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Green Bay's version of a young Jim McMahon?
Probably, except that Jim McMahon chased tail and not peenus.

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Green Bay's version of a young Jim McMahon?
Probably, except that Jim McMahon chased tail and not peenus.


Not so sure about that--he and Thayer were awfully chummy.

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24782945/william-hayes-miami-dolphins-tears-acl-trying-avoid-sack-flag


The rules are unworkable. It is almost to the point where you only try to strip the ball.

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It is almost to the point where you only try to strip the ball.

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One unintended consequence of this is I think it's going to usher in a brand new era of flopping in football. Why shouldn't quarterbacks try to oversell contact from the defensive players when the reward is so great and there's such a likelihood of getting away with it? I've seen Roethlisberger get his ass kicked more than maybe any other active quarterback, but the way he sold getting touched on the helmet tonight for a flag made me suspect this is already starting.


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To officiate-out hits on the quarterback is nonsensical. Players cannot defy the laws of physics by being able to change their momentum en route to the quarterback, when you're talking about 280 pound plus rushers. They cannot help that their bodies fall on the quarterback when they make a tackle. So the rule is not deterrent, and not one person can say there will be any less hits on the quarterback because of it. It just causes game stoppages and unfairly penalizes a defender, both on the field and in his pocket book. I don't understand how the league can impose such a draconian change in the rule without the consent of the players union. The fans don't approve of this, so why do it?

Because of rule changes, there are no longer kick returns, hits to the quarterback are not allowed and flopping by the QBs, as with Rothlisberger last night, is now encouraged. And this is supposed to be pro tackle football. NFL fans got their worst nightmare where every NFL QB becomes LeBron James in the pocket.

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One unintended consequence of this is I think it's going to usher in a brand new era of flopping in football. Why shouldn't quarterbacks try to oversell contact from the defensive players when the reward is so great and there's such a likelihood of getting away with it? I've seen Roethlisberger get his ass kicked more than maybe any other active quarterback, but the way he sold getting touched on the helmet tonight for a flag made me suspect this is already starting.


http://dailysnark.com/ben-roethlisberge ... s-penalty/

Think he hit his head harder into the ground doing the flop than what the Bucs player did.


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To officiate-out hits on the quarterback is nonsensical. Players cannot defy the laws of physics by being able to change their momentum en route to the quarterback, when you're talking about 280 pound plus rushers. They cannot help that their bodies fall on the quarterback when they make a tackle. So the rule is not deterrent, and not one person can say there will be any less hits on the quarterback because of it. It just causes game stoppages and unfairly penalizes a defender, both on the field and in his pocket book. I don't understand how the league can impose such a draconian change in the rule without the consent of the players union. The fans don't approve of this, so why do it?

Because of rule changes, there are no longer kick returns, hits to the quarterback are not allowed and flopping by the QBs, as with Rothlisberger last night, is now encouraged. And this is supposed to be pro tackle football. NFL fans got their worst nightmare where every NFL QB becomes LeBron James in the pocket.

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Sounds like they are going to change the way the rule is enforced. That's not good for the Bears, lots of drives have been saved by someone hitting (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wrong.


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Worst roughing the passer call ever in PHI vs MIN.


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Worst roughing the passer call ever in PHI vs MIN.

Was going to get mad then I realized it was Michael Bennett..fine by me.


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Worst roughing the passer call ever in PHI vs MIN.


That was awful

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There was a play in the Bills game where a guy had a free shot at Mariota and just pushed him in the chest and then looked to the ref while Mariota spun away and threw a pass.

Never seen anything like that.

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There was a play in the Bills game where a guy had a free shot at Mariota and just pushed him in the chest and then looked to the ref while Mariota spun away and threw a pass.

Never seen anything like that.
Insane.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rules-gone-ove ... 07925.html

Leave it to the NFL to completely fuck up tackling. They seemed to have fix the 'catch no catch' but now screw something else up. This would be like calling a home run an out because the batter hit the ball too far.

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I have no idea what they are even doing anymore with this shit.


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