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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

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Also the migration of the game to the outside results in less blocks because you aren't banging it up against a guy like they used to. The game has completely changed from twenty years ago. While Durant vs Oden was eventually decided on health issues, I think that denoted the time where Durant was a much more valuable commodity in the NBA. I really can't see it going back the old way because if you get a guy who knows how to hit a three at least somewhat of the time, they don't take the physical beating that a big guy does who has to do it all in the paint. Ideally, you want a guy like LeBron who can do it either place, but it isn't very realistic to think you'll find one.

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I'd be intrigued to see a true Maurice Lucas or Moses Malone type come into today's NBA. They would be suspended after about three games, but it would be fun to watch them rebound today.

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You can include post-up and mid-range games in there pretty soon.

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Soon everyone is going to just take turns making shots from half court.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Shot Blockers
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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.

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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.


Bring back the hand-check rule.

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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.


Yeah, my first guess is the lessening of blocks correlates with the increase in 3 and long 2 attempts.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Shot Blockers
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IMU wrote:
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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.



I'm sorry you don't really watch games. The emphasis and over emphasis on small leaves no rim protection. Teams are scoring in the paint at will..The Lakers as Walton pointed out scored 70 in the paint the other day. That isn't exemplary of a record number of anything.

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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.



I'm sorry you don't really watch games. The emphasis and over emphasis on small leaves no rim protection. Teams are scoring in the paint at will..The Lakers as Walton pointed out scored 70 in the paint the other day. That isn't exemplary of a record number of anything.

Scoring in the paint, as a percentage of total points scored, is down in today's NBA.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Shot Blockers
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
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This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.



I'm sorry you don't really watch games. The emphasis and over emphasis on small leaves no rim protection. Teams are scoring in the paint at will..The Lakers as Walton pointed out scored 70 in the paint the other day. That isn't exemplary of a record number of anything.

Scoring in the paint, as a percentage of total points scored, is down in today's NBA.



Thats not the reason for less shotblocking. Having fewer shotblockers on the team is however.


Unless you can provide a list of guys on every team that are expected to block shots then you really are wasting time.

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Also the migration of the game to the outside results in less blocks ...

I used to know a mason named Les Blocks ... terrible basketball player ... bricked every shot.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Shot Blockers
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.



I'm sorry you don't really watch games. The emphasis and over emphasis on small leaves no rim protection. Teams are scoring in the paint at will..The Lakers as Walton pointed out scored 70 in the paint the other day. That isn't exemplary of a record number of anything.

Scoring in the paint, as a percentage of total points scored, is down in today's NBA.



Thats not the reason for less shotblocking. Having fewer shotblockers on the team is however.


Unless you can provide a list of guys on every team that are expected to block shots then you really are wasting time.

Are you being obtuse? Teams don't need to waste a roster spot on a shot blocker, or focus on the skill of shot blocking, since less shots are being attempted in the paint. Instead that time practicing is spent having your 6'10" players learn how to be effective on the perimeter and shoot three pointers. How do you not get this? Stop accusing everyone else of being dumb and not watching the games and think about what you're about to post before you hit Submit. Read a paper on cause and effect.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Shot Blockers
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
This is alarming. Not a person on the list past 1995.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... eason.html


One of the primary reasons that scoring is going through the roof. No rim protection

More shots than ever are being taken from deep and you think lack of shot blocking is a pimary reason scoring is up?

Guys like Carmelo, Harden and Lavine are the reasons scoring is up. They play 50% of the game very well and the other half historically awfully.



I'm sorry you don't really watch games. The emphasis and over emphasis on small leaves no rim protection. Teams are scoring in the paint at will..The Lakers as Walton pointed out scored 70 in the paint the other day. That isn't exemplary of a record number of anything.

Scoring in the paint, as a percentage of total points scored, is down in today's NBA.



Thats not the reason for less shotblocking. Having fewer shotblockers on the team is however.


Unless you can provide a list of guys on every team that are expected to block shots then you really are wasting time.

Are you being obtuse? Teams don't need to waste a roster spot on a shot blocker, or focus on the skill of shot blocking, since less shots are being attempted in the paint. Instead that time practicing is spent having your 6'10" players learn how to be effective on the perimeter and shoot three pointers. How do you not get this? Stop accusing everyone else of being dumb and not watching the games and think about what you're about to post before you hit Submit. Read a paper on cause and effect.



The chart I provided dates back to 1995. There has been a steady decline in the amount of shot blocking since 1995. How does pertain to 3 point shooting?

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...there are a finite amount of shots a team can realistically put up in 48 minutes. If more shots are from deep, that means less overall shots in the paint. Meaning less total shots that have the possibility of being blocked, as most blocks have always come from and will always come from near the basket.

Please tell me this is a work.

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...there are a finite amount of shots a team can realistically put up in 48 minutes. If more shots are from deep, that means less overall shots in the paint. Meaning less total shots that have the possibility of being blocked, as most blocks have always come from and will always come from near the basket.

Please tell me this is a work.



It isn't. Do you think that the decrease in shot blocking is entirely or mostly due to the increase in the amount of 3 point shots?


If so then why does this decline date back to 95?


I think it has more to do with the size of the bigs. "Small ball" breeds fewer guys with the ability to block shots.

Even if you change the style of play its still difficult to account for that.


Clint Capela (who by the way is considered a shot blocker in today's NBA) would have been a 3 in the NBA of yesteryear.

That is the difference.

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...there are a finite amount of shots a team can realistically put up in 48 minutes. If more shots are from deep, that means less overall shots in the paint. Meaning less total shots that have the possibility of being blocked, as most blocks have always come from and will always come from near the basket.

Please tell me this is a work.



It isn't. Do you think that the decrease in shot blocking is entirely or mostly due to the increase in the amount of 3 point shots?


If so then why does this decline date back to 95?


I think it has more to do with the size of the bigs. "Small ball" breeds fewer guys with the ability to block shots.

Even if you change the style of play its still difficult to account for that.


Clint Capela (who by the way is considered a shot blocker in today's NBA) would have been a 3 in the NBA of yesteryear.

That is the difference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... stats.html

Because the early 1990's is when 3 point shots attempted started going up drastically.

Small ball IS more three pointers attempted, and more athleticism and shooting skill for all 5 positions.

You are underqualified to discuss this further. You do not have the knowledge nor the data to back up anything you say. You have been wrong at every turn and you're now even helping demonstrate my points.

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Clint Capela would not be an NBA player if he had to play the three.

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...there are a finite amount of shots a team can realistically put up in 48 minutes. If more shots are from deep, that means less overall shots in the paint. Meaning less total shots that have the possibility of being blocked, as most blocks have always come from and will always come from near the basket.

Please tell me this is a work.



It isn't. Do you think that the decrease in shot blocking is entirely or mostly due to the increase in the amount of 3 point shots?


If so then why does this decline date back to 95?


I think it has more to do with the size of the bigs. "Small ball" breeds fewer guys with the ability to block shots.

Even if you change the style of play its still difficult to account for that.


Clint Capela (who by the way is considered a shot blocker in today's NBA) would have been a 3 in the NBA of yesteryear.

That is the difference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... stats.html

Because the early 1990's is when 3 point shots attempted started going up drastically.

Small ball IS more three pointers attempted, and more athleticism and shooting skill for all 5 positions.

You are underqualified to discuss this further. You do not have the knowledge nor the data to back up anything you say. You have been wrong at every turn and you're now even helping demonstrate my points.


you are just sort of rambling without a coherent train of thought.

What happens once I provide statistics on the number of 7 foot starting centers in the 90's as opposed to the number of 7 foot centers today? what happens then? We both know what happens don't we?

What happens when i show you that a slight increase in the number of 3 point shots in the 90's still should not be able to explain a decrease by more than half the number of shots blocked? We both know what happens don't we?


These are actually statistics too you know? (or not). Just face it IMU you lack the knowledge to conduct discussions that require any sort of nuance.

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...there are a finite amount of shots a team can realistically put up in 48 minutes. If more shots are from deep, that means less overall shots in the paint. Meaning less total shots that have the possibility of being blocked, as most blocks have always come from and will always come from near the basket.

Please tell me this is a work.



It isn't. Do you think that the decrease in shot blocking is entirely or mostly due to the increase in the amount of 3 point shots?


If so then why does this decline date back to 95?


I think it has more to do with the size of the bigs. "Small ball" breeds fewer guys with the ability to block shots.

Even if you change the style of play its still difficult to account for that.


Clint Capela (who by the way is considered a shot blocker in today's NBA) would have been a 3 in the NBA of yesteryear.

That is the difference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... stats.html

Because the early 1990's is when 3 point shots attempted started going up drastically.

Small ball IS more three pointers attempted, and more athleticism and shooting skill for all 5 positions.

You are underqualified to discuss this further. You do not have the knowledge nor the data to back up anything you say. You have been wrong at every turn and you're now even helping demonstrate my points.


I made the previous comment without even checking your stats. Funny thing is that I knew it as a "long time" watcher of NBA hoops any way. There was a 6 year stretch where the number of 3's actually decreased (late 90's -early 2000's). Even your "drastic increase" is woefully exaggerated. There was only an increase of 6 shots per game at its peak in the mid to late 90's then it decreased by 3 for about a 6 year pd. Then it "drastically increased" following the rules changes.

The "drastic increase" with which you speak really wasn't all that drastic at all in fact. There was a slight increase in the number of shots if anything yet the amount of shot blocking decreased precipitously.

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