I think they are afraid of losing him for nothing and they also probably aren't all that confident in Thibs's ability to get a better deal. If Butler isn't traded or gets traded for nothing then Thibs should be fired. Will be but if he in the off chance isn't then he should be for engineering this debacle.

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Yeah I get all that, but there's a big difference between accepting that it's the best offer (or even being more enthusiastic about the quality of the offer than I am) and outright celebrating the near certainty of going right back to irrelevance.

It's also worth noting that a lot of the Wolves fans I see most enthusiastic about the Houston offer are also the ones still angriest at Thibodeau and were swearing up and down that he'd blown his chance at getting anything at all just 24 hours ago. There are plenty of reasons to criticize his time in Minnesota so far, but this just seems downright dissonant to me. I think anyone longing for Butler to be gone in this manner is going to have grapple with the harsh reality that neither him nor Thibodeau can be blamed primarily for Towns and Wiggins not living up to their potential.

They're stealing money. Towns quit the other day. You'll never win anything with him or Wiggins. Neither has any heart.

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If you don't support Jimmy Butler, you're not a true NBA fan.

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Jimmy Butler missed the 3rd game of the season in order to "rest". Towns has never missed an NBA game and Wiggins has only missed one game (the last one) in his NBA career.

That Buckets. What a warrior. What a leader. But did he tell you how hard he works during the off season?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2503 ... -mavericks

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How soon we forget.

https://youtu.be/eBdQfMQYYOI

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I know that you aren't a fan of Butler's but this is silly. Neither of them care more about winning than Butler. Just watching the games makes this clear.

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They show up. That's the point. They are also better teammates. He is a terrible teammate and a "me" guy.

Jimmy Butler cares about no one but Jimmy Butler. He threw his teammates under the bus because he didn't get a supermax contract. That is the reason he wanted to be traded. Nothing more and nothing less.

You bashed the hell out if Melo for choosing money over winning but isn't this what Butler is doing?

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You think Kobe cared less about winning when he was injured for much of his last few years? You think Duncan cared less about winning when Popovich rested him? Showing up doesn't mean shit when you don't give the effort needed to win. Butler is a diva and a awful leader but he busts his ass when he's on the court.

Marshmelo was a top 5 to 10 player at the time and was content with losing. One of the reasons Butler is being a diva is because of the lack of heart shown by Wiggins and to lesser extent KAT.

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Wiggins has put in more effort and looks to want to win more than KAT so far this season. Hoping the injury doesn't keep him out long.

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You're drinking the kool aid I see. Jimmy Butler went to management in June or July and requested to be maxed out. They refused and then he requested to be traded. There is nothing honorable about what he did. He requested to be traded to some of the worst teams in the league just so that he could make more money. Instead of simply providing that as his reason he chose to make up some phony story about "these guys lacking heart".

He has been a damn no show during the last 2 playoff series in which he has been involved in too by the way.

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LTG is literally the only person in America who believes KAT cares more about winning than Butler does. Even KAT would probably disagree

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Butler is a try hard guy who maximized his ability. Marshmelo was a naturally talented guy who could get you 30 with no effort. If you recall I wanted Marshmelo at all costs. I believed the Bulls were a championship team with him. I love effort guys like Butler but I've repeatedly said I wouldn't give him a max deal. I don't generally have issues with guys like that trying to get paid immediately. Also Butler and others had issues with the effort of KAT and Wiggins before the offseason. Shaq hit the nail on the head last night when talking about KAT.

Butler was hurt both series and he isn't a true #1. He's better served being a #2 or #3. The primary reasons I wouldn't pay him is because he isn't a true #1 and effort guys usually fall hard because of injuries. We're already seeing him start to break down.

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KAT cares more about winning a Fortnite match than an NBA game.

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I hear he plays that lazy too, lots of unfinished structures.

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I think they are disappointed in Wiggins no doubt but I don't really see Towns as a disappointment. He made All NBA last year. They may have overrated him with the whole "best young player" thing but I don't regard him as a disappointment.


As far as Minnesota fans go there have been a number of them that have been disenchanted with Thibs from Day 1 and there are a number that were upset with the initial trade for Butler. They thought that it was a bad deal from the get go. I think some of the blowback now is relative to their initial reaction.

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I don't think KAT cares more about winning (whatever that means) but I do think he is a much better teammate than Butler and he is much more talented. Butler is a me guy and always has been. It is sort of obvious that the things that Sam "The Man" Smith said about him were true.

He also has been a no show in the playoffs throughout his career. If the Wolves put Towns on the block right now he'd garner much more action than Jimmy Buckets. No doubt about that.

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Rockets offer 4 Numero Uno's for Jimmy Buckets....makes Rockets a solid threat to bounce the Warriors

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Thibs has ruined KAT just like he ruined Wiggins. That's just reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPAMVOU ... e=youtu.be

Not for some CB. They still buy into the legend and the myth that is Tom Thibodeau. Both players were performing much better when they were being coached by Sam "the Man" Mitchell. NBA player after NBA player repeatedly says that the Wolves play a style that isn't conducive the personnel that they have. Half Court high screen and role with the point guard and Butler dominating the ball. THere has been at least 5 guys that have stated that they play "way too slow" on offense.

Both guys looked like they were well on their way to perennial All Star status prior to the arrival of overrated, overcoaching Thibs.

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KAT just didn't become a bum overnight. That's for sure. But it is a mess...you got a faux superstar that on Monday wants out of town, then on Tuesday is trying to pull a "win one for the gipper" act. It doesn't work like that. The talent (should) be there, it's up to the coach to put it together. Those that kneel at the altar of St. Thibbs will never admit that he's not getting the best out of his players. It's a mess.

4 late, late 1st rounders translates to, what, 1 top 5 pick?

Morey's gonna need a 3rd team with current players Thibs wants to make this work. Late 1st round picks in 2020 and beyond do nothing for Thibs (except as future trade bait). Thibs has to get back to the playoffs this season or next.


Wonder if Houston's gambit will move Riley off of his apparent 'not including Josh Richardson in a trade for Butler' position.

It wasn't a serious offer. They wanted the Wolves to take back shitty contracts. Even Glen Taylor would turn down that deal.

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Means nothing. The 1-2 punch of Thibs's coaching and having to play with Ball Stopping Team Cancer Butler is ruining the kid.

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The kid is as soft as Charmin's and his heart pumps kool-aid. That has nothing to do with coaching or Butler. We excused it early on but in the end you are what you are.

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He also was All NBA last year and 30 out of 30 GMs would take him over Butler right now.

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Lets prove that 30 out of 30 my foe

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Yeah, Vlade Divac is still a GM in the league.

They would take him over LeBron too because he's almost decade younger. Your dislike of Butler and Thibodeau blinds you when discussing Wiggins and Towns my friend. No one can deny their natural talent but they don't have what it takes to become a superstar.

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