Pro Football Focus' top two graded safeties so far this year are Washington's D.J. Swearinger and ... you guessed it, Clinton-Dix

There is alot beneath the surface with Ha-Ha. He quit on the team last year and his effort was horrendous. He has also blown a bunch of his safety responsibilities this year and has been going rogue by trying to jump routes he shouldn't be jumping and leaving the corners horribly exposed. I can't tell you how many times the packers have given up a really bad long td pass and the announcers say " it looks like he was expecting help over the top". He wants to have a huge INT # thi year and then cash it in. He is also a very good tackler who shies away from contact as he doesn't want to get injured. He always shows up after a play and barely arm tackles......unless its a TFL then he blows the guy up to put it on tape.

They would have gotten a 4th rd comp pick for him so this only a marginal draft stock gain. They wanted to get rid of him and they did. They did not need to do this, they wanted to.

They wanted it so badly that they started him the last 71 or so games.

lot of whistling by the cemetery by Packer fans on this Halloween

There is alot beneath the surface with Ha-Ha. He quit on the team last year and his effort was horrendous. He has also blown a bunch of his safety responsibilities this year and has been going rogue by trying to jump routes he shouldn't be jumping and leaving the corners horribly exposed. I can't tell you how many times the packers have given up a really bad long td pass and the announcers say " it looks like he was expecting help over the top". He wants to have a huge INT # thi year and then cash it in. He is also a very good tackler who shies away from contact as he doesn't want to get injured. He always shows up after a play and barely arm tackles......unless its a TFL then he blows the guy up to put it on tape.

They would have gotten a 4th rd comp pick for him so this only a marginal draft stock gain. They wanted to get rid of him and they did. They did not need to do this, they wanted to.

How many wins do you think the trades cost GB? What did you have their record at the end of the year before the trades and what do you see it as now?

I'll say 9-6-1 before and 9-6-1 after. Same team.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Ya, this isn't Mack where he transforms a defense. Packers won't be winning anything anyways this year.

And if you were to pinpoint the root issues this year it'd be the offense and special teams. Defense has been OK.

How many wins do you think the trades cost GB? What did you have their record at the end of the year before the trades and what do you see it as now?

I'll say 9-6-1 before and 9-6-1 after. Same team.

That sounds an awful lot like a white flag post to me.

Your manner of analysis leads to a conclusion that all parts are fungible save for Rogers.

An opinion you yourself have offered up multiple times on here.

only people I'd be disappointed if they're cut:

adams
bahktiari
linsley
clark
alexander
king
jackson
crosby

small list. not good.

only people I'd be disappointed if they're cut:

adams
bahktiari
linsley
clark
alexander
king
jackson
crosby

small list. not good.

There are many reasons the Packers lost tonight. HaHa was not one of them. He was a stat whoring, shitty player and they were better without him. With him gone and Whitehead getting ejected their safeties had one of their best games of the year. Aside from that atrocious missed tackle by tramon (idk if he was playing cb or s on that play) they were solid.

There are many reasons the Packers lost tonight. HaHa was not one of them. He was a stat whoring, shitty player and they were better without him. With him gone and Whitehead getting ejected their safeties had one of their best games of the year. Aside from that atrocious missed tackle by tramon (idk if he was playing cb or s on that play) they were solid.

Rodgers didn't play that well last night but Mike McCarthy has got to go

Our rookie CB is graded as their 6th best CB in the league. He's good but not that good. Their grades are meaningless.

DJ Swearinger and Ha-Ha as top two rated safeties is more of an indictment on PFF's grading system than the players. I hate the blind faith in PFF because they were the first to publish easily digestible ratings/rankings

When do they put Rodgers on season ending IR and quit?

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Rodgers' quarterback rating is going to be terrible until he stops throwing away so many passes. He gives up and launches one to the sideline almost every set of downs.