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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:01 pm 
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I think he’s worth $20 million.

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19 per year for Lavine is about right. This isn't a bad move.


Salary cap will be at $109 million next summer. LaVine is going to account for 17% of that. Bulls will still have 2 max contracts to offer ($33 million each).


Yeah there were some people who thought he'd be a max player and that is one of the reasons Thibs traded him. Couldn't pay all 3 max money. Now everyone is complaining even though the Bulls were able to sign him for much less.

Resigning him was the right call.


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Ron Wolfley wrote:
I think he’s worth $20 million.


He's looking good offensively.

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We already accept that the Bulls lost that trade. Now it has been compounded.

The Bulls had room for two max contracts next summer. Now they do not. Lavine is getting paid like he should be your third best player. He will never be a third best player on a competing team.

Hell, you thought Butler needs to be the third guy on a competing team. Butler is far better than Lavine.



Now this is sound analysis

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Who is disagreeing with it? You?

Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.

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IMU wrote:
Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Let me know when Jimmy Butler is too.


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Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Let me know when Jimmy Butler is too.

:lol:

Yeah IMU had to see that retort coming.

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Who is disagreeing with it? You?

Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Lavine for Butler straight up is a win right now. Throw in Markkanen and Dunn and its a no brainer. Trading Butler and Whacking Thibs were 2 of the more astute moves that they have made in the past 10 years.

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who did the Wolves get with the pick the Bulls sent

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who did the Wolves get with the pick the Bulls sent

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... oju01.html

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who did the Wolves get with the pick the Bulls sent


A bum that can't seem to stay healthy. Thibs got hosed on the Butler trade. GarPax cleaned his clock though MANY are loathed to admit it.

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LaVine looks solid. We have Lauri. I am optimistic on Carter. There may be some NBA level talent on this team, but of course they seem to lack the superstar(s) needed to be playoff competitive.

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LaVine looks solid. We have Lauri. I am optimistic on Carter. There may be some NBA level talent on this team, but of course they seem to lack the superstar(s) needed to be playoff competitive.



Lavine has superstar ability but i think he is best suited for a #2 role. Markannen #2 or #3. The good thing about the Bulls is that they may be able to attract a Superstar player given their supporting cast.

They botched the tank job. They were in perfect position to possibly draft Ayton and they screwed themselves. Carter is a Solid piece though. Eventually they will have to decide if he is a 4 or 5 though.

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Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Let me know when Jimmy Butler is too.

:lol:

Yeah IMU had to see that retort coming.

I never said Jimmy would be a #1 on a championship team. In fact I've sad multiple times he should be the second guy.

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IMU wrote:
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Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Let me know when Jimmy Butler is too.

:lol:

Yeah IMU had to see that retort coming.

I never said Jimmy would be a #1 on a championship team. In fact I've sad multiple times he should be the second guy.


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I'm with FavreFan.

You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts.

Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson.

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Well that didn't help you at all. Try again.

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Jimmy wants #1 guy $$$ thought.


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IMU wrote:
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Let me know when Lavine is scoring 30 in an NBA Finals game.


Let me know when Jimmy Butler is too.

:lol:

Yeah IMU had to see that retort coming.

I never said Jimmy would be a #1 on a championship team. In fact I've sad multiple times he should be the second guy.

Second guys should still be expected to drop 30 in a Finals game.

But I assumed that comment was comparing him to Butler. Why else say it? Neither of them are gonna be in the Finals any time soon.

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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.

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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.

I would've agreed a month ago but now I'm not so sure. What if you pick Butler to win that one game or championship and he decides he has general soreness and stays home?

He's looking really, really bad right now.

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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.



Zach Lavine is much more skilled than Jimmy Butler and was more skilled from the moment he entered the league. Butler is a better defender and is physically stronger.

He has nowhere near the offensive game that Lavine has.

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What if you pick Butler to win that one game or championship and he decides he has general soreness and stays home?


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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.



Zach Lavine is much more skilled than Jimmy Butler and was more skilled from the moment he entered the league. Butler is a better defender and is physically stronger.

He has nowhere near the offensive game that Lavine has.

You just accused FF of changing the argument. You're attempting to do the same. Butler may only score 25 in a game Lavine scores 30. But Butler will rebound, pass and play better defense and do more overall to win a game. He is the better NBA player.

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IMU wrote:
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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.



Zach Lavine is much more skilled than Jimmy Butler and was more skilled from the moment he entered the league. Butler is a better defender and is physically stronger.

He has nowhere near the offensive game that Lavine has.

You just accused FF of changing the argument. You're attempting to do the same. Butler may only score 25 in a game Lavine scores 30. But Butler will rebound, pass and play better defense and do more overall to win a game. He is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now. Hell they have had trouble moving him for the immortal Josh Richardson. As far as points per game avg goes Butler has yet to average more than 22 or 23 a game so where is the 25 points per game avg stuff coming from? Lavine avg 18 or 19 as a 21 year old 3rd option. He is a much more talented offensive player than Jimmy Butler. No matter which metric you use he is simply better. Butler is better defensively and more experienced. He isn't more talented.

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[Butler] is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now.

What?

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[Butler] is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now.

What?


The position was clearly stated. Don't know why there is confusion on it.

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[Butler] is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now.

What?


The position was clearly stated. Don't know why there is confusion on it.

GM's will knowingly take the worse player?

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IMU wrote:
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[Butler] is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now.

What?


The position was clearly stated. Don't know why there is confusion on it.

GM's will knowingly take the worse player?



A 23 year old that is already a better shooter, better scorer, and better athlete than the guy that is 29 years old and a team cancer. You bet they will. They had difficulty trading Jimmy Butler for Josh Richardson. If Paxson offers Lavine for Richardson and another player Riley does it in a heartbeat.

Lavine has room to grow and he isn't all that far from Butler right now. Just hasn't had the time to demonstrate consistency. Butler has plateaued as a player. Can't get much better. Lavine is better offensively right now.

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IMU wrote:
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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[Butler] is the better NBA player.


He is but the gap isn't as wide as you seem to think it is. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Jimmy Butler straight up for Zach Lavine right now.

What?


The position was clearly stated. Don't know why there is confusion on it.

GM's will knowingly take the worse player?



A 23 year old that is already a better shooter, better scorer, and better athlete than the guy that is 29 years old and a team cancer. You bet they will. They had difficulty trading Jimmy Butler for Josh Richardson. If Paxson offers Lavine for Richardson and another player Riley does it in a heartbeat.

Lavine has room to grow and he isn't all that far from Butler right now. Just hasn't had the time to demonstrate consistency. Butler has plateaued as a player. Can't get much better. Lavine is better offensively right now.

As you always do, you're moving the goal posts. Address what we're talking about; not what you want to talk about. I've quoted the post for you to read it again.

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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.

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As you always do, you're moving the goal posts. Address what we're talking about; not what you want to talk about. I've quoted the post for you to read it again.

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I didn't put as much thought into it as you think I did, besides thinking to myself that Lavine does not have the skills to be the best player or go to scorer on a competing team.

Everyone here except LTG would take Butler over Lavine to win a game or championship this year. Age , contract, teammates be damned. Butler is the superior NBA player.



Ok Lets address the "goto scorer" part of your quote. If Lavine is a better scorer than Butler then how can Butler be the go to scorer and not Lavine? Lets begin here and work our way up.

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