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It seems Cleveland is going to part with either Kluber or Carrasco before the season starts, and depending on the aggressiveness of teams like the Yankees, both could go. Couple that with losing Brantley and Kipnis/Encarnacion in the twilight, dont the Sox have to make some big moves? The division could be theirs next year. Its realistic they could sign Donaldson, Pollock, Corbin, and Happ for about $65 mill a year. That coupled with Eloy and possibly Cease coming next year as well as a slew of young arms in the bullpen, they could be in a position to make a Milwaukee-like move in that division in 2019. Another plus with those FA deals would be most would be off the books in 3-4 years, leaving cash for the hopefully homegrown stars when the time comes.


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It seems Cleveland is going to part with either Kluber or Carrasco before the season starts, and depending on the aggressiveness of teams like the Yankees, both could go. Couple that with losing Brantley and Kipnis/Encarnacion in the twilight, dont the Sox have to make some big moves? The division could be theirs next year. Its realistic they could sign Donaldson, Pollock, Corbin, and Happ for about $65 mill a year. That coupled with Eloy and possibly Cease coming next year as well as a slew of young arms in the bullpen, they could be in a position to make a Milwaukee-like move in that division in 2019. Another plus with those FA deals would be most would be off the books in 3-4 years, leaving cash for the hopefully homegrown stars when the time comes.


Might as well. Still like to see them go after a Cody Allen or Andrew Miller type for the bullpen.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The White Sox will have 54 games against KC, Minnesota, and Detroit next year, about 48 against playoff teams depending on interleague schedule, and 60 against other teams.

Go 34-20 against the shit teams in their division
Go 20-28 against the playoff teams
Go 33-27 against the meh teams, and since that includes 6 against Baltimore and 3 against some shitty NL team, that shouldn't be that difficult.

That's an 87 win team. Get a couple of breaks and have a couple of the Indians' off season moves not work out, and you win the AL Central and then anything can happen in short series.

That needs to be their philosophy. They need six new pitchers at probably $50M total for 2019, with some guys getting 2-3 year deals:
- Two #4 starter types who have a consistent track record of eating up 170 innings each without DL stints whom they can line up to pitch against the playoff teams
- Two failed starters who are still good enough to make it once through a lineup in relief twice a week without getting rocked so they can be aggressive with their young starters
- Two solid relievers, one LH, one RH, who can pitch with a lead.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The White Sox will have 54 games against KC, Minnesota, and Detroit next year, about 48 against playoff teams depending on interleague schedule, and 60 against other teams.

Go 34-20 against the shit teams in their division
Go 20-28 against the playoff teams
Go 33-27 against the meh teams, and since that includes 6 against Baltimore and 3 against some shitty NL team, that shouldn't be that difficult.

That's an 87 win team. Get a couple of breaks and have a couple of the Indians' off season moves not work out, and you win the AL Central and then anything can happen in short series.

That needs to be their philosophy. They need six new pitchers at probably $50M total for 2019, with some guys getting 2-3 year deals:
- Two #4 starter types who have a consistent track record of eating up 170 innings each without DL stints whom they can line up to pitch against the playoff teams
- Two failed starters who are still good enough to make it once through a lineup in relief twice a week without getting rocked so they can be aggressive with their young starters
- Two solid relievers, one LH, one RH, who can pitch with a lead.

For 50 mill you could land Gio, Happ, Brad Brach, and Joe Kelly easily. Not sure why you would want 2 failed starters 2. Couldbuse that money for Andrew Miller if the bullpen is where you want to shore up.


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Isn't Miller a failed starter?

I want two guys for the 5th through 7th who have starter length but may be missing a pitch to get through a lineup twice.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Isn't Miller a failed starter?

I want two guys for the 5th through 7th who have starter length but may be missing a pitch to get through a lineup twice.

He was years ago. Now he is an elite bullpen arm coming off an injury plagued season.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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What's sad is blowing a 5 game division lead in September. smfh



You'd cut your micro dick off for the Sox to have a run like the Cubs have the last 5 years. Who You Crappin Frank?

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Isn't Miller a failed starter?

I want two guys for the 5th through 7th who have starter length but may be missing a pitch to get through a lineup twice.



All bullpen guys are failed starters.. If love to get a tough lefty like Miller

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.

If Cleveland is going to get rid of significant pieces, how can the Sox not pursue free agents to make a jump into what could be an open Central in 2019?


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Machado and Harper are not retreads. Hang yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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There's going to be a legit run at Machado. If all he's looking for is money, there's no reason NOT to get him.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The biggest contract ever by the Sox is Abreu, 68 million. I don't see that cheap jew spending 350 million on Harper or Machado.

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We're gonna land Harper and he's gonna be a gigantic fucking bust for us. It's the most White Sox-esque outcome to all of this.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Someone said sign Donaldson? That seems like a bad move. You'd be praying for a bouce back from a 33 year old.

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Eloy in LF
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Thats 100HRs a year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.


If Cleveland is going to get rid of significant pieces, how can the Sox not pursue free agents to make a jump into what could be an open Central in 2019?


I'm just suggesting that this would be a major redirection of what they said that their plan has been. Their "strategy" was for dumping payroll and getting prospects to rebuild with. I'm not saying that I agree with that philosophy. I was totally against their stupid "plan" and still am. And this ridiculous notion that they are going after Machado and Harper is total bullshit.

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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.


If Cleveland is going to get rid of significant pieces, how can the Sox not pursue free agents to make a jump into what could be an open Central in 2019?


I'm just suggesting that this would be a major redirection of what they said that their plan has been. Their "strategy" was for dumping payroll and getting prospects to rebuild with. I'm not saying that I agree with that philosophy. I was totally against their stupid "plan" and still am. And this ridiculous notion that they are going after Machado and Harper is total bullshit.


When players like Machado and Harper become available, you entertain speeding up the plan. Both are in their mid-20s so they will still be in their prime when all the young players are in place. Getting one of those players also makes it more attractive for future FAs. Plus the notion of Cleveland in the beginning stages of trading away their top players leaves the division wide open.

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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.


If Cleveland is going to get rid of significant pieces, how can the Sox not pursue free agents to make a jump into what could be an open Central in 2019?


I'm just suggesting that this would be a major redirection of what they said that their plan has been. Their "strategy" was for dumping payroll and getting prospects to rebuild with. I'm not saying that I agree with that philosophy. I was totally against their stupid "plan" and still am. And this ridiculous notion that they are going after Machado and Harper is total bullshit.


When players like Machado and Harper become available, you entertain speeding up the plan. Both are in their mid-20s so they will still be in their prime when all the young players are in place. Getting one of those players also makes it more attractive for future FAs. Plus the notion of Cleveland in the beginning stages of trading away their top players leaves the division wide open.

Totally agree. When Miami blew it up and Yelich was available, Milwaukee decided to speed things up and go for him, thus going after Cain and Gio earlier than planned because it became available. If Cleveland is beginning to sell pieces off and there are players available that can give you a place at the playoff table, you have to be fluid. But, if you never bought into the rebuild, your not going to buy into anything Sox related.


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Why do you guys think that the White Sox would sign a bunch of free agent players right now? I thought that they were "rebuilding" with youth not retreads? They are not going to spend any real money on average players let alone good ones. Reinny will not do it.


If Cleveland is going to get rid of significant pieces, how can the Sox not pursue free agents to make a jump into what could be an open Central in 2019?


I'm just suggesting that this would be a major redirection of what they said that their plan has been. Their "strategy" was for dumping payroll and getting prospects to rebuild with. I'm not saying that I agree with that philosophy. I was totally against their stupid "plan" and still am. And this ridiculous notion that they are going after Machado and Harper is total bullshit.


When players like Machado and Harper become available, you entertain speeding up the plan. Both are in their mid-20s so they will still be in their prime when all the young players are in place. Getting one of those players also makes it more attractive for future FAs. Plus the notion of Cleveland in the beginning stages of trading away their top players leaves the division wide open.



YOu are talking about a guy named "Reinsdorf" are you not? Do you actually think that Reinny is going to spend over $350,000,000 dollars for one player? Come-on. This is the Chicago White Sox we are talking about, not an organization that is even remotely capable let alone able to be competitive.

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When Miami blew it up and Yelich was available, Milwaukee decided to speed things up and go for him, thus going after Cain and Gio earlier than planned because it became available. If Cleveland is beginning to sell pieces off and there are players available that can give you a place at the playoff table, you have to be fluid. But, if you never bought into the rebuild, your not going to buy into anything Sox related.


Comparing where the Sox are and where the Brewers were last year is silly.

The Brewers have been a contender for the division the last few years. They added pieces to an already solid club. They were not in the middle of a rebuild like the Sox.

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When Miami blew it up and Yelich was available, Milwaukee decided to speed things up and go for him, thus going after Cain and Gio earlier than planned because it became available. If Cleveland is beginning to sell pieces off and there are players available that can give you a place at the playoff table, you have to be fluid. But, if you never bought into the rebuild, your not going to buy into anything Sox related.


Comparing where the Sox are and where the Brewers were last year is silly.

The Brewers have been a contender for the division the last few years. They added pieces to an already solid club. They were not in the middle of a rebuild like the Sox.



Absolutely. The Brewers have been a solid team for awhile now. The White Sox right now is one of the worst in all of baseball with no end in ready sight.

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When Miami blew it up and Yelich was available, Milwaukee decided to speed things up and go for him, thus going after Cain and Gio earlier than planned because it became available. If Cleveland is beginning to sell pieces off and there are players available that can give you a place at the playoff table, you have to be fluid. But, if you never bought into the rebuild, your not going to buy into anything Sox related.


Comparing where the Sox are and where the Brewers were last year is silly.

The Brewers have been a contender for the division the last few years. They added pieces to an already solid club. They were not in the middle of a rebuild like the Sox.



Absolutely. The Brewers have been a solid team for awhile now. The White Sox right now is one of the worst in all of baseball with no end in ready sight.

Absolutely? They won 68 in 2015 and 73 in 2016 before making a surprising jump to 86 wins in 2017.


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Thats 100HRs a year.



You'd be lucky if Robert played a 100 games a year and Harper ain't coming to that shitball organization

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The deadline for protecting players for the rule 5 draft is today. The Sox have 6 players who should be protected.

RHP Dylan Cease
RHP Spencer Adams
LHP Kodi Medeiros
RHP Jordan Stephens
RHP Zach Thompson
C Seby Zavala

The 40 man currently stands at 35 which means someone will have to be removed. Good thing there is no shortage of candidates.

RHP Thyago Vieira
RHP Juan Manaya
OF Ryan Cordell
OF Charlie Tilson


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They protected Cease, Medieros, Stephens and Zavala. This confuses me.


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