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Also, the notion that she should have made and thrown out the food (or let it be stolen) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You don't think Chipotle and their franchisee's have access to loss prevention metrics that resolve down to, at most, a dozen burritos' worth of ingredients?

And because the manager knows these guys, the incident captured us at least the second such encounter, so we're already talking about the manager risking her till coming up short relative to ingredients purchased. And the honest solution from MANY is for her to just accept the losses, even though management is going to give her flak for it?

That means the REAL solution posed by some of you dullards is that this woman should have risked her position as a manager of a fast food chain so that she isn't wrongly accused of racism on the internet. That's dumb, and you are dumb for advancing anything resembling that.


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Your first post in this thread was is this from some white outrage newsfeed. You framed it immediately as a race issue. Then claimed you didn't.
Are you serious? I didn't make it a race issue. I never even said it was racist that she wouldn't serve them without them proving they had the money. All I said was that it shouldn't even be a national story.

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Once again, I made a joke thread where pittmike was the clear target and you took it personally that literally months later you are posting about it even after I specifically mentioned that it was not a reference to you.

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Also, the notion that she should have made and thrown out the food (or let it be stolen) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You don't think Chipotle and their franchisee's have access to loss prevention metrics that resolve down to, at most, a dozen burritos' worth of ingredients?
No, they throw out a lot of food. It's just built into the cost. By making it in front of people, they have a lower than normal amount as preparation errors are less likely but it still happens.

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And because the manager knows these guys, the incident captured us at least the second such encounter, so we're already talking about the manager risking her till coming up short relative to ingredients purchased. And the honest solution from MANY is for her to just accept the losses, even though management is going to give her flak for it?
Chipotle has already stated she didn't follow procedures.

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That means the REAL solution posed by some of you dullards is that this woman should have risked her position as a manager of a fast food chain so that she isn't wrongly accused of racism on the internet. That's dumb, and you are dumb for advancing anything resembling that.
I walk into Chipotle, order a burrito, when I get to the counter I say "I don't feel good I have to go" and I leave the burrito and I don't pay. Is the manager going to get fired for that?

If this is a chronic problem then you tell corporate and ask them how you should proceed. It really is that simple.

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Chipotle has already stated she didn't follow procedures.


That may be the case, though I doubt they had specific procedures in place to address thieves who continually try to steal burritos and then record themselves being stopped from stealing in order to frame it as a racist incident, but of course Chipotle is going to send a spokesperson out to attempt to mitigate the damage. The outrage has done a 180.

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Chipotle has already stated she didn't follow procedures.


That may be the case, though I doubt they had specific procedures in place to address thieves who continually try to steal burritos and then record themselves being stopped from stealing in order to frame it as a racist incident, but of course Chipotle is going to send a spokesperson out to attempt to mitigate the damage. The outrage has done a 180.
I'd say that what happened is here is why they have the procedure they do, which almost certainly is "Make burrito, ask for payment, if no payment is provided do not give them burrito". If it happens multiple times, then you ban them from the store with proof of why to protect yourself. The worst case scenario here is that a burrito gets thrown away. That's it.

You could even say that policy protects the workers. If this guy hadn't outed himself on twitter as a burrito thief then it's a he said-she said type of situation rather than having the proof that he wasn't going to pay for the burrito.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Also, the notion that she should have made and thrown out the food (or let it be stolen) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You don't think Chipotle and their franchisee's have access to loss prevention metrics that resolve down to, at most, a dozen burritos' worth of ingredients?
No, they throw out a lot of food. It's just built into the cost. By making it in front of people, they have a lower than normal amount as preparation errors are less likely but it still happens.

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And because the manager knows these guys, the incident captured us at least the second such encounter, so we're already talking about the manager risking her till coming up short relative to ingredients purchased. And the honest solution from MANY is for her to just accept the losses, even though management is going to give her flak for it?
Chipotle has already stated she didn't follow procedures.

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That means the REAL solution posed by some of you dullards is that this woman should have risked her position as a manager of a fast food chain so that she isn't wrongly accused of racism on the internet. That's dumb, and you are dumb for advancing anything resembling that.
I walk into Chipotle, order a burrito, when I get to the counter I say "I don't feel good I have to go" and I leave the burrito and I don't pay. Is the manager going to get fired for that?

If this is a chronic problem then you tell corporate and ask them how you should proceed. It really is that simple.


1. :lol: You can't honestly think that Chipotle wouldn't be able to spot, say, a worker handing out freebies because "they throw out a lot of food"? That's incredibly poor logic, even by your standards. Their loss rate due to dropped or mishandled food is likely very closely watched and approximated, and as such they would be able to spot an unusual amount of food that didn't show up as dollars in the register, such as the ingredients required to make a half dozen or dozen of their burritos. You're like Kramer saying the USPS just writes off any insurance claim on damaged shipping.

2.a. Which procedure?

2.b. ...while offering her the manager position back. If you can't read between those lines you're beyond help.

3.a. If you are expending ingredients more than corporate's dictated loss rate, you're going to get a talking to as the manager. Why are you asking about a single burrito? Have I ever said that corporate can spot a single burrito?

3.b. So again, you're arguing that she should have thrown out for the ingredients to 5 or 7 burritos and hoped she wasn't reprimanded by management in order to avoid being called a racist on the internet. This is a dumb sentiment.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
1. :lol: You can't honestly think that Chipotle wouldn't be able to spot, say, a worker handing out freebies because "they throw out a lot of food"? That's incredibly poor logic, even by your standards. Their loss rate due to dropped or mishandled food is likely very closely watched and approximated, and as such they would be able to spot an unusual amount of food that didn't show up as dollars in the register, such as the ingredients required to make a half dozen or dozen of their burritos. You're like Kramer saying the USPS just writes off any insurance claim on damaged shipping.
It is watched, which is why she would report it and ask for how she should handle future issues. Do you think this is the first time Chipotle has dealt with a person who tries to get a free burrito without paying? They have a procedure and I can promise you it isn't asking your customer to "prove" they have the money prior to making the burrito.
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3.b. So again, you're arguing that she should have thrown out for the ingredients to 5 or 7 burritos and hoped she wasn't reprimanded by management in order to avoid being called a racist on the internet. This is a dumb sentiment.
What is your theory on what the head of loss prevention at Chipotle would have wanted?

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Do you think this is the first time Chipotle has dealt with a person who tries to get a free burrito without paying?


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3.b. So again, you're arguing that she should have thrown out for the ingredients to 5 or 7 burritos and hoped she wasn't reprimanded by management in order to avoid being called a racist on the internet. This is a dumb sentiment.
What is your theory on what the head of loss prevention at Chipotle would have wanted?


I think Chipotle found out that the guy was a repeat shoplifter of that Chipotle location managed by that person, and her refusal to serve him was right in line with corporate training or direction she had received from the franchisee, and that is why they offered her the job back.

Continuing to hold the position that she violated some procedure is a move they hope prevents them from being sued for millions by the former manager.


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This story is about stealing burritos, and the answer on how to handle this without creating a national story out of it has been said multiple times. She was just lucky that she got bailed out by this guy being a really bad burrito thief.


Are you really arguing that SHE created the national story out of this? There were no other actors or groups of actors that were responsible for how big a story about a habitual petty thief got?

The story became big because the thieving scumbag made a (false) claim of racism and posted it to social media and of course , is largely getting a pass over doing so .

The guy is getting his soul roasted on twitter. I don't think he's largely getting a pass.


Getting roasted on twitter doesn't fix headlines such as "Chipotle may rehire woman who refused to serve black men"

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Update: Chipotle manager fired for refusing to serve a group of black customers has been offered her job back


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/chipotl ... 48731.html

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Chipotle rehires manager who asked African American men to prepay for burritos

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vor ... 55fd4cb587

Not scammers. Not hoaxers. Not scumbags. Refused to serve blacks.

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Chipotle doesn't have franchises. All stores are corporate owned.

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I think Chipotle found out that the guy was a repeat shoplifter of that Chipotle location managed by that person, and her refusal to serve him was right in line with corporate training or direction she had received from the franchisee, and that is why they offered her the job back.
Except, you know, they said she didn't follow the procedures correctly. But hey, maybe she did everything strictly by the book and Chipotle is lying.

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Continuing to hold the position that she violated some procedure is a move they hope prevents them from being sued for millions by the former manager.
Quite a rabbit hole you are going down here.

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Chipotle doesn't have franchises. All stores are corporate owned.


I'm surprised by this.

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Chipotle doesn't have franchises. All stores are corporate owned.


I'm surprised by this.

Im not. What individual would want to take credit for foisting worse food than Taco Bell on the public?

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Always found folks of Mexican backgrounds to be refreshingly honest about their racism; whereas Americans of Euro extraction, well, we like to pretend that racism in the USA is a dissipating artifact of the past and not a gathering storm raining all over daily life in the USA. Mexicans proper discriminate amongst themselves based on slight gradations in skin color (gachupine/criollo/mestizo etc), vaguely similar to the caste system in India.


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Chipotle doesn't have franchises. All stores are corporate owned.


I'm surprised by this.

Im not. What individual would want to take credit for foisting worse food than Taco Bell on the public?


The place was really popular for a while. Usually companies like to cash in on those things.

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All this could have been avoided if this woman would have just called Chipotle's corporate hotline and asked for direction.

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Always found folks of Mexican backgrounds to be refreshingly honest about their racism; whereas Americans of Euro extraction, well, we like to pretend that racism in the USA is a dissipating artifact of the past and not a gathering storm raining all over daily life in the USA. Mexicans proper discriminate amongst themselves based on slight gradations in skin color (gachupine/criollo/mestizo etc), vaguely similar to the caste system in India.


Yeah Latinos are very insular and racist towards everybody.

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Man, imagine how many pages the homeless veteran and trashy white couple thread would have been if they fraudulently obtained burritos rather than $400,000 in cash from morons.

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I think Chipotle found out that the guy was a repeat shoplifter of that Chipotle location managed by that person, and her refusal to serve him was right in line with corporate training or direction she had received from the franchisee, and that is why they offered her the job back.
Except, you know, they said she didn't follow the procedures correctly. But hey, maybe she did everything strictly by the book and Chipotle is lying.


Well if the procedure (now it's procedures, plural? Soon I'm going to ask you to name them) she violated on Chipotle's word was serious enough to warrant termination, then why is she being offered employment again if Chipotle knows she violated a procedure that warrants immediate termination? You're not making any sense here, Rick.

Either the procedure violated doesn't warrant immediate termination (unlikely because Minnesota is an at-will state and any infraction can substantiate termination), or Chipotle is lying about procedure violation.


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Man, imagine how many pages the homeless veteran and trashy white couple thread would have been if they fraudulently obtained burritos rather than $400,000 in cash from morons.

"trashy white couple"? JLN is going to ask for you to be banned again.

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And read PM's or was that your purview?

Is it a goal to display your ignorance at least once per post?

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All this could have been avoided if this woman would have just called Chipotle's corporate hotline and asked for direction.

This is true considering that Chipotle is supposedly counting the number of burritos produced and firing managers if they lose too many.

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And for the record, Chipotle sucks.

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1. :lol: You can't honestly think that Chipotle wouldn't be able to spot, say, a worker handing out freebies because "they throw out a lot of food"? That's incredibly poor logic, even by your standards. Their loss rate due to dropped or mishandled food is likely very closely watched and approximated, and as such they would be able to spot an unusual amount of food that didn't show up as dollars in the register, such as the ingredients required to make a half dozen or dozen of their burritos. You're like Kramer saying the USPS just writes off any insurance claim on damaged shipping.

Have you ever worked fast food? The monitoring you claim never happens. Food is literally "written off" all the time...into the trash.


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All this could have been avoided if this woman would have just called Chipotle's corporate hotline and asked for direction.

This is true considering that Chipotle is supposedly counting the number of burritos produced and firing managers if they lose too many.


The fact that locations are all corporate-owned makes this pretty much a reality.


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