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 Post subject: Re: Hoiberg Fired
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:27 am 
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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.


Yep it does.

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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.

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Is this the 6th coach Pax has hired and subsequently fired?

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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


Does it overcome talent discrepancies/disparities?

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veganfan21 wrote:
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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


I'm mimicking ltg here.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoiberg Fired
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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


I'm mimicking ltg here.


I'm currently looking at the Western Conf standings and see teams coached by Billy Donovan, Mike Malone, and Doc Rivers at the top of them. I'm fairly certain that you don't any of them in your top 15 as far as coaches go.

Without using google I'm certain that you don't have a clue as to who the coach of Toronto happens to be either

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I guess Hoiball didn't work well with the roster.

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I'm fairly certain Toronto was vaulted into the Finals mix because they went out and hired coach What's his name. I'm sure that move changed everyone's perception of them as a franchise.

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Now this frees up Philly to get rid of Brown

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No immediate plans to bump up Boylen's assistant coach salary nor hire a new assistant to fill the gap from his promotion. Reinsdorf gonna Reinsdorf.


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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


I'm mimicking ltg here.

Oh. Carry on then.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoiberg Fired
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McCarthy and Hoiberg both fired in the past 24 hours. What a fantastic start to the month.


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I don't like it for 2 reasons.

They'd have an equal shot with the Cavaliers and Suns at the #1 pick if the season ended today. Keep sucking with Hoiberg (at least until the All-Star break).

Lauri played 26 minutes all season. Dunn, 30 minutes. Not fair.


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I don't like it for 2 reasons.

They'd have an equal shot with the Cavaliers and Suns at the #1 pick if the season ended today. Keep sucking with Hoiberg (at least until the All-Star break).

Lauri played 26 minutes all season. Dunn, 30 minutes. Not fair.

Don' t take last year into consideration at all?

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is this the same jim boylan as the mike north drop?

does anyone give two shits that fred hoiberg is gone? we know bulls management doesnt give a shit that a terrible hire that gar championed is gone...

i struggle with the big picture on this team as I just dont see the clear path to winning a title. they ahve nice pieces... but a lot of teams have nice pieces...


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FavreFan wrote:
McCarthy and Hoiberg both fired in the past 24 hours. What a fantastic start to the month.


Hoiberg and McCarthy should fo a radio show now.

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McCarthy and Hoiberg both fired in the past 24 hours. What a fantastic start to the month.


Hoiberg and McCarthy should fo a radio show now.
Perfect time for Dr Ken to bring back the podcast.

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What could Fred say that would even be remotely interesting? Now, if you have insomnia (like Parkins), then Fred might be able to help ya out with that.

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Jim Boylan before and Jim Boylen now. Huh.

Anyway, LTG is pegged with another loss.

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What could Fred say that would even be remotely interesting? Now, if you have insomnia (like Parkins), then Fred might be able to help ya out with that.


I think Fred would bring more than the Beav

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Much like the Blackhawks , the entire front office needs to go too. Real courageous firing the coach though.

Right there with you again on that.

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long time guy wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


Does it overcome talent discrepancies/disparities?


Coaching has nothing do with performance. Teams should just run themselves.

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Jim Boylan before and Jim Boylen now. Huh.

Anyway, LTG is pegged with another loss.



Thibs really has done a bangup job of proving me wrong. How could anyone not see that?

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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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I don't want Boylan either. He is the architect of that terrible defensive scheme that they employ.


Schemes dont matter. Talent does.

Terribly stupid take. Coaching matters.


Does it overcome talent discrepancies/disparities?


Coaching has nothing do with performance. Teams should just run themselves.



Works for me.

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Ron Wolfley wrote:
I don't like it for 2 reasons.

They'd have an equal shot with the Cavaliers and Suns at the #1 pick if the season ended today. Keep sucking with Hoiberg (at least until the All-Star break).

Lauri played 26 minutes all season. Dunn, 30 minutes. Not fair.



Yeah i agree on some level but Hoiberg wasn't going to be the guy to bring them back to respectability. Team plays too undisciplined.

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Ron Wolfley wrote:
I don't like it for 2 reasons.

They'd have an equal shot with the Cavaliers and Suns at the #1 pick if the season ended today. Keep sucking with Hoiberg (at least until the All-Star break).

Lauri played 26 minutes all season. Dunn, 30 minutes. Not fair.



Yeah i agree on some level but Hoiberg wasn't going to be the guy to bring them back to respectability. Team plays too undisciplined.


If you're talented you automatically play with discipline. Once you become really good at basketball then discipline, offensive and defensive schemes, time management, and play calling are automatically uploaded into your brain while you sleep. This makes "coaching" redundant since you already have what it takes to win.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Ron Wolfley wrote:
I don't like it for 2 reasons.

They'd have an equal shot with the Cavaliers and Suns at the #1 pick if the season ended today. Keep sucking with Hoiberg (at least until the All-Star break).

Lauri played 26 minutes all season. Dunn, 30 minutes. Not fair.



Yeah i agree on some level but Hoiberg wasn't going to be the guy to bring them back to respectability. Team plays too undisciplined.


If you're talented you automatically play with discipline. Once you become really good at basketball then discipline, offensive and defensive schemes, time management, and play calling are automatically uploaded into your brain while you sleep. This makes "coaching" redundant since you already have what it takes to win.


Show me the last(first) team devoid of talent to win in the NBA?

Which championships will the Spurs be contending for in the near future? Heat?

Did people think the Raptors became contenders because they hired a new coach (who incidentally replaced last year's coach of the year) or because they traded for Kawhi Leonard?


Please explain. Though I know you won't.

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