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Franky T

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:45 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Franky T wrote:

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Only 8 spots open.

Good thing he played almost as many games at 3B then and some at 2B.

Yeah, it's not like he's going to the bench. If you want to argue it will hurt them defensively moving him to third base that has some merit. (Edit: I see you did) But to brush of this trade as no big deal because Goldschmidts are a dime a dozen is just a bad sports thought.

Never said that.

Is this really that hard to comprehend? Power hitting first baseman (i.e. a guy who will hit 20-25 homers) are extremely common.

Goldschmidt is great and it makes them better, but it's just not as significant as adding a great hitter at a position like SS, 3B, 2B, CF, or Catcher.

It's why Machado is such a big deal and more valuable than Harper (RF another position full of power hitters...not as much as 1B though)

If you are talking in baseball generalities you are correct. The Cardinals have been mediocre the past couple years largely due to the lack of a thumper in the middle of their line-up. They have that now, regardless of position.

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Franky T

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:49 am

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Kirkwood wrote:

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So managers are just wasting their time when they look at past success against teams in deciding who to play, setting their lineup, positioning their defense, deciding on bullpen matchups, etc.? I doubt that he has sucked against the Cubs and Brewers the past couple years.

Yes.

Look at history against a specific pitcher. But against a team? Dumb.

Against Cubs pitchers "[i]n 43 career games...Goldschmidt is hitting .353 with 14 home runs, 39 RBIs, a .471 on-base percentage and a 1.170 OPS." I think that matters, you don't. That's fine.

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Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:41 am

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Kirkwood wrote:

Those career vs. opponent stats are idiotic.

The Cubs need Austin Kearns so he stops beating us

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:05 pm

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Franky T wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Yes.

Look at history against a specific pitcher. But against a team? Dumb.

Against Cubs pitchers "[i]n 43 career games...Goldschmidt is hitting .353 with 14 home runs, 39 RBIs, a .471 on-base percentage and a 1.170 OPS." I think that matters, you don't. That's fine.

You're being intentionally dim

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Franky T

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:39 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Yes.

Look at history against a specific pitcher. But against a team? Dumb.

Against Cubs pitchers "[i]n 43 career games...Goldschmidt is hitting .353 with 14 home runs, 39 RBIs, a .471 on-base percentage and a 1.170 OPS." I think that matters, you don't. That's fine.

You're being intentionally dim

Well, then I guess a lot of baseball writers are too.

In 99 plate appearances against the 2017 Cubs pitching staff he has a .950 OPS, including a career 1.321 OPS against Jon Lester, 1.931 against Jose Quintana, 1.556 against Marrow, 1.229 against Montgomery, 1.000 against Strop. I assume they will be pitching for the Cubs next year?

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Kirkwood

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:37 pm

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Much more informative and relevant!

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:38 pm

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Franky T wrote:

Well, then I guess a lot of baseball writers are too.

Yup.

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RFDC

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:02 pm

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spmack wrote:

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Sorry for your loss Cub fans. It was a great run though.

It is still ongoing, thank you very much.

In fairness sox fans dont know anything about a run.

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Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:25 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Look at history against a specific pitcher. But against a team? Dumb.

Carlos Lee v. Cubs pitching
Mike Sweeney v. White Sox pitching

It has been a thing before...not dumb.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:43 pm

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Havent viewed this yet, will later. Figured some may be interested.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:52 pm

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RFDC wrote:

spmack wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Sorry for your loss Cub fans. It was a great run though.

It is still ongoing, thank you very much.

In fairness sox fans dont know anything about a run.

Your response is expected and understandable, but we both know the Sox know quite a bit about the single greatest postseason run in modern MLB history.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:52 pm

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RFDC wrote:

In fairness sox fans dont know anything about a run.

Cubs fans know plenty about a run. Perhaps, if your team was able to score two or three runs, they would have played more than two games in October.

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RFDC

Post subject: Re: St Louis Cardinals

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:24 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

RFDC wrote:

In fairness sox fans dont know anything about a run.

Cubs fans know plenty about a run. Perhaps, if your team was able to score two or three runs, they would have played more than two games in October.

Let me know the next time your team plays any games in October

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