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Ogie Oglethorpe
 Post subject: Re: Kyler Murray
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:46 pm 
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That's just cherry picking examples though.

Assuming Murray would be good at both professions, he would certainly make more money and stay healthier choosing baseball. If he sucked at both he would probably make a slightly bit more by choosing football.
I'm not cherry picking anything. Good quarterbacks get paid huge money now. Kirk Cousins is already at $72 million and will be at $130 million by year 9 with another big contract likely coming after that. That is with him making very little his first few years because he wasn't a first round pick. Jeff Samardzija will be making $127 million in 14 years.

A lot of MLB picks have very limited MLB careers too. A first round NFL QB is almost certainly going to get multiple contracts. It's a huge number if they are decent. Even RGIII has outearned Kris Bryant so far.

Kris Bryant is going to make at a minimum $300 million more than RGIII in their careers. I’m not sure if this is a bit or meant to be a serious post.
^this, just look at the contracts that will be given out in the next week or two. They will dwarf any given out in NFL history.

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Kris Bryant is on a potential HOF trajectory though. That's the point. Everyone acts like baseball players are guaranteed to make a lot more money. RG3 is currently out earning Bryant even as RG3 is struggling to stay in the league.

I guess we can use Mark Appel instead. RG3 will have about 4x the career earnings of him.

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 Post subject: Re: Kyler Murray
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^this, just look at the contracts that will be given out in the next week or two. They will dwarf any given out in NFL history.
Very few will ever get those contracts though. Do you think Kyler Murray will ever get a contract in MLB for over $20 million a year?

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^this, just look at the contracts that will be given out in the next week or two. They will dwarf any given out in NFL history.
Very few will ever get those contracts though. Do you think Kyler Murray will ever get a contract in MLB for over $20 million a year?

Sure. All he has to do is turn into a league average pitcher for that.

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^this, just look at the contracts that will be given out in the next week or two. They will dwarf any given out in NFL history.
Very few will ever get those contracts though. Do you think Kyler Murray will ever get a contract in MLB for over $20 million a year?

Sure. All he has to do is turn into a league average pitcher for that.
That isn't likely. 26 players make $21 million or more in MLB according to the article I quickly googled. Maybe he will be one of them. A lot of first round picks have pretty unremarkable careers.

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^this, just look at the contracts that will be given out in the next week or two. They will dwarf any given out in NFL history.
Very few will ever get those contracts though. Do you think Kyler Murray will ever get a contract in MLB for over $20 million a year?

Sure. All he has to do is turn into a league average pitcher for that.
That isn't likely. 26 players make $21 million or more in MLB according to the article I quickly googled. Maybe he will be one of them. A lot of first round picks have pretty unremarkable careers.

Jeff Samardzija is at best a #3/4 pitcher in this league (probably a 4/5) and he is earning $18-19 million a year.

Mediocre pitchers make far more than mediocre QB's

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Jeff Samardzija is at best a #3/4 pitcher in this league (probably a 4/5) and he is earning $18-19 million a year.
Yeah, and Murray

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Mediocre pitchers make far more than mediocre QB's
Kirk Cousins, in 8 years, will make $130 million.
Jeff S, in 14 years, will make $127 million.

Ultimately, my point is that if we are ignoring the head injury issue, that a first round draft QB draft pick is going to make a lot more money for the first 6-7 years and MLB has a high bust rate for first round picks too.

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Jeff Samardzija is at best a #3/4 pitcher in this league (probably a 4/5) and he is earning $18-19 million a year.
Yeah, and Murray

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Mediocre pitchers make far more than mediocre QB's
Kirk Cousins, in 8 years, will make $130 million.
Jeff S, in 14 years, will make $127 million.

Ultimately, my point is that if we are ignoring the head injury issue, that a first round draft QB draft pick is going to make a lot more money for the first 6-7 years and MLB has a high bust rate for first round picks too.

Samardzija was a 5th round MLB pick, so what do 5th round NFL players make?

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Murray is projected to be a first round pick in the NFL so if you want a better comp then we can pick a first round pick.

The #1 pick in the 2017 MLB draft got a $6.75 million signing bonus.
The #1 pick in the 2017 NFL draft got a $20 million signing bonus and will make $30 million in his first 4 years.

The #15 pick in the 2017 MLB draft got $3.6 million.
The #15 pick in the 2017 NFL draft got a $7.3 million signing bonus and will make $12.6 million in his first 4 years.

After 4 years the numbers will be far ahead for the NFL player, with the arbitration years keeping the NFL player pretty far ahead for a while longer assuming they are still playing.

Everyone asks like every draft pick in MLB makes big money. For a lot of them the first deal is the only big money they ever get.

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I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.

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I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.


It really isn't that hard to understand. He will make more money as an average NFL Qb unless he becomes one of the top outfielders in baseball. That is also after navigating the minors and 7 years of team control.

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I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.


It really isn't that hard to understand. He will make more money as an average NFL Qb unless he becomes one of the top outfielders in baseball. That is also after navigating the minors and 7 years of team control.

But NFL money is not guaranteed, right?
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I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.


It really isn't that hard to understand. He will make more money as an average NFL Qb unless he becomes one of the top outfielders in baseball. That is also after navigating the minors and 7 years of team control.

But NFL money is not guaranteed, right?


Just bonuses usually.

I do believe that Cousins got most of his money fully guaranteed.

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The point is, and it's THE point, Murray would be in the NFL from day 1. If he chose baseball, he would be in MiLB, with NO guarantees of making it to MLB.

Here is the 2010 1st round MLB draft
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y20 ... racker.jsp

Lots of big names followed by Who The Fuck Is That.
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I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.

They won't be comparable contracts unless Murray is an all star caliber player in baseball.

Alex Smith will make $150 million to $220 million in his career depending on his injury.

If Murray is a first round pick he gets far more than the $5 million from baseball with a lucrative contract in year 5 if he is even decent. Mark Appel would take that deal.

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tommy wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
I can't believe someone is arguing that an industry with no guaranteed money contracts is superior to one with guaranteed long-term deals of comparable amounts.


It really isn't that hard to understand. He will make more money as an average NFL Qb unless he becomes one of the top outfielders in baseball. That is also after navigating the minors and 7 years of team control.

But NFL money is not guaranteed, right?



1st round contracts are usually 4 years guaranteed with offsets if they get cut.

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Rick was right. My apologies for doubting your baseball salary acumen Rick.

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