It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:29 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 475 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 16  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82220
I believe yonder is Machado a brother in law

It’s happening!

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:37 pm
Posts: 911
pizza_Place: Home Run Inn...Frozen!
Just takes Davidsons place. Righty DH and start a few games at first.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:43 am
Posts: 2508
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
They seem to be adding legitimate big league players which is good, but this move is somewhat curious. If Polecat is right and this guy just replaces Davidson, is he honestly that much of an upgrade? He has a career .745 OPS.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57234
good dolphin wrote:
I believe yonder is Machado a brother in law

It’s happening!

:lol:

most people do not like their brother in laws

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:11 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri May 25, 2018 8:58 am
Posts: 6302
pizza_Place: Frozen
Hopefully Hahn has learned viewing Theo's blunders, and is wiser.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82220
I am baffled by the way the Sox have treated the catcher situation. Two years ago things seemed dire at the position with them bringing up two non prospects in smith and narvaez. Well both of them ended up producing and really earning a spot on the roster. What does Hahn do? He signs some overpriced juicer and sends smith down. When that bum ends up getting suspended smith produces again. Meanwhile narvaez develops into one of the best offensive catchers in the league. They are sitting pretty at the position for a team on a limited budget with two catchers cost controlled for four seasons. What does Hahn do? Let smith walk for nothing and trade away narvaez for an arm equal to what they could have found for the same amount of money in fr e agency

Now we sit here with 10 million invested into the position for next year instead of the league minimum and not demonstrably better for it. That is some bad general managing

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82220
I’ll say this, if Hahn does not get his man in Machado or Harper he should be fired. This has been an incomprehensible off season otherwise. What does Alonso bring you at a greater cost than you already had sitting there on the team. I don’t want to go back to the era of signing over the hill mediocre veterans who do not fill a need.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:30 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
Looks like they gave up OF Alex Call. Pour a little out for America.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:37 pm
Posts: 911
pizza_Place: Home Run Inn...Frozen!
One of the best offensive catchers? Just stop.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:49 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Polecat666 wrote:
One of the best offensive catchers? Just stop.

Numbers don't lie.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
good dolphin wrote:
I’ll say this, if Hahn does not get his man in Machado or Harper he should be fired. This has been an incomprehensible off season otherwise. What does Alonso bring you at a greater cost than you already had sitting there on the team. I don’t want to go back to the era of signing over the hill mediocre veterans who do not fill a need.

He’s a good fielding 1B. That will allow Abreu to move to DH. They’re obviously hoping he’s more the ‘17 version than the ‘18 version.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:37 pm
Posts: 911
pizza_Place: Home Run Inn...Frozen!
So are they putting Palka in the outfield? This move kind of kills his at bats as a DH.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57234
Polecat666 wrote:
So are they putting Palka in the outfield? This move kind of kills his at bats as a DH.

Yeah it seems this move either means the end of Abreu or Palka with the Sox.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Polecat666 wrote:
One of the best offensive catchers? Just stop.



Navarez can hit

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82220
312player wrote:
Polecat666 wrote:
One of the best offensive catchers? Just stop.



Navarez can hit


He has gotten on base at an outstanding rate two years in a row. That is no mirage. He added some power in year two. I think the numbers say he was the 4th best offensive catcher in baseball last year

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
He's the absolute worst catcher in all of baseball. By the eye test and by the numbers (that's hard to do) and he doesn't hit nearly enough to be a 1B/DH. He doesn't have a position.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:04 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79550
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
They just signed a worse catcher.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri May 25, 2018 8:58 am
Posts: 6302
pizza_Place: Frozen
White Sox pitching staff is one of the worst in baseball. Can the young starters improve over their 5+ era? Nova slight if any upgrade over "Big Game" James Shields. This rebuild is going to be a much longer process than Cubs was.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31617
pizza_Place: What??
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They just signed a worse catcher.

Nah, he's probably a top 5 catcher. Can't hit a lick but would have made a nice combo with Narvaez.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:37 pm
Posts: 911
pizza_Place: Home Run Inn...Frozen!
There is a thing called defense and throwing runners out. Hitting singles doesn't make you a good catcher.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57234
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They just signed a worse catcher.

Nah, he's probably a top 5 catcher. Can't hit a lick but would have made a nice combo with Narvaez.

No.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31617
pizza_Place: What??
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They just signed a worse catcher.

Nah, he's probably a top 5 catcher. Can't hit a lick but would have made a nice combo with Narvaez.

No.

Yes. He throws out runners at a 37% clip and fangraphs has him 2nd in MLB defensively behind Contreras.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:18 pm
Posts: 27517
Location: Rizzo fo Shizzo
pizza_Place: Pizza Villa in DeKalb.
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They just signed a worse catcher.

Nah, he's probably a top 5 catcher. Can't hit a lick but would have made a nice combo with Narvaez.

No.

Yes. He throws out runners at a 37% clip and fangraphs has him 2nd in MLB defensively behind Contreras.


The last thing I would ever use as a source is something that has Contreras ranked as the best defensive catcher in baseball. He probably has the quickest release and strongest arm but there is a hell of alot more that goes into being a good defensive catcher and he is shit at all of that.

_________________
That's my purse! I don't know you!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31617
pizza_Place: What??
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They just signed a worse catcher.

Nah, he's probably a top 5 catcher. Can't hit a lick but would have made a nice combo with Narvaez.

No.

Yes. He throws out runners at a 37% clip and fangraphs has him 2nd in MLB defensively behind Contreras.


The last thing I would ever use as a source is something that has Contreras ranked as the best defensive catcher in baseball. He probably has the quickest release and strongest arm but there is a hell of alot more that goes into being a good defensive catcher and he is shit at all of that.

Lots of guys are getting old and beat up and aren't what they used to be. Did you happen to watch the playoffs? It was a shitstorm behind the plate. So before you kick Contreras to the curb, look around.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:35 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:05 pm
Posts: 12449
good dolphin wrote:
I’ll say this, if Hahn does not get his man in Machado or Harper he should be fired. This has been an incomprehensible off season otherwise. What does Alonso bring you at a greater cost than you already had sitting there on the team. I don’t want to go back to the era of signing over the hill mediocre veterans who do not fill a need.


They haven't made any long-term commitments to my knowledge (Nova, Alfonso and McCann are all on 1 year deals) so there's that.

The moves themselves don't change the overall outlook much if their goal is to begin turning the corner next season. Everything will still fall on the young talent developing at the major league level.

Nova was probably a decent move if he can throw 170IP and not get shelled in the AL, but, he doesn't matter if Giolito sucks again, etc.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:43 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79550
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Polecat666 wrote:
There is a thing called defense and throwing runners out. Hitting singles doesn't make you a good catcher.



Runners steal on pitchers, not catchers. And as UMN says above, there is a lot more to catching than throwing out runners.

Anyway, the Sox had exactly one player who was adept at getting on base and they dumped him for a middle reliever who walks way too many guys. But by all means, let's throw a fucking party because Tim Anderson improved to getting on base at a 29% clip.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:05 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
BD wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I’ll say this, if Hahn does not get his man in Machado or Harper he should be fired. This has been an incomprehensible off season otherwise. What does Alonso bring you at a greater cost than you already had sitting there on the team. I don’t want to go back to the era of signing over the hill mediocre veterans who do not fill a need.


They haven't made any long-term commitments to my knowledge (Nova, Alfonso and McCann are all on 1 year deals) so there's that.

Alonso will most likely be a 2 yr deal. He has a $9M option for '20 that vests with 550 plate appearances in 2019 or 1,100 plate appearances in 2018-19 combined (he had 574 AB's last season). As long as he stays healthy he should easily get there.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31617
pizza_Place: What??
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Polecat666 wrote:
There is a thing called defense and throwing runners out. Hitting singles doesn't make you a good catcher.



Runners steal on pitchers, not catchers. And as UMN says above, there is a lot more to catching than throwing out runners.

Anyway, the Sox had exactly one player who was adept at getting on base and they dumped him for a middle reliever who walks way too many guys. But by all means, let's throw a fucking party because Tim Anderson improved to getting on base at a 29% clip.

Everything on defense is run prevention. Throwing out 27 runners as Contreras and McCann did is big. I disagreed with Hahn on Narvaez as much as anybody but it's over and done with. McCann was the best option unless you want to give up a fortune in talent for Realmuto


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:11 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79550
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Polecat666 wrote:
There is a thing called defense and throwing runners out. Hitting singles doesn't make you a good catcher.



Runners steal on pitchers, not catchers. And as UMN says above, there is a lot more to catching than throwing out runners.

Anyway, the Sox had exactly one player who was adept at getting on base and they dumped him for a middle reliever who walks way too many guys. But by all means, let's throw a fucking party because Tim Anderson improved to getting on base at a 29% clip.

Everything on defense is run prevention. Throwing out 27 runners as Contreras and McCann did is big. I disagreed with Hahn on Narvaez as much as anybody but it's over and done with. McCann was the best option unless you want to give up a fortune in talent for Realmuto


I don't see the point in getting rid of whichever two of Castillo/Smith/Narvaez you could have kept just to get worse at catcher unless you were going to play your own homegrown guys.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31617
pizza_Place: What??
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Polecat666 wrote:
There is a thing called defense and throwing runners out. Hitting singles doesn't make you a good catcher.



Runners steal on pitchers, not catchers. And as UMN says above, there is a lot more to catching than throwing out runners.

Anyway, the Sox had exactly one player who was adept at getting on base and they dumped him for a middle reliever who walks way too many guys. But by all means, let's throw a fucking party because Tim Anderson improved to getting on base at a 29% clip.

Everything on defense is run prevention. Throwing out 27 runners as Contreras and McCann did is big. I disagreed with Hahn on Narvaez as much as anybody but it's over and done with. McCann was the best option unless you want to give up a fortune in talent for Realmuto


I don't see the point in getting rid of whichever two of Castillo/Smith/Narvaez you could have kept just to get worse at catcher unless you were going to play your own homegrown guys.

He fucked up bad. Nothing me and you can do about it. No one but me and you are ripping him. Eventually MANY will. But fuck it, there's a bigger picture. McCann is fine.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 475 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 16  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group