Let's see Mike respond, and who next closely follows.

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Did I accuse you of doing that? If you didn't attribute anything about race to his comment, what was the point of responding to me? Just to disagree? Is that now a default Leash response? Don't be so defensive.

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Come on guys, no need to fan the flames or create something out of nothing. Zeph insinuated that a double standard was at play after TM posted an article about brown. I thought that was a reach. There is nothing racial or prejudicial or whatever about suggesting that brown was out of line for his conduct on Sunday. I personally don't see a problem with pointing to existing material out there on Brown because it's germane to this particular discussion (brown going awol). Again: a guy fucking ditches his team during an elimination game and yet we're talking about the QB and arcane statistics. None of that is relevant.

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I commented earlier so obviously I didn't see anything racial in it. Zeph had a different opinion about it but he didn't make it a racial issue. I think believing that he was wrong was more than enough.

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I do think zeph implicitly introduced race here but upon rereading the exchange I see that it probably escalated after WFR's shot at zeph about defending Hitler.

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I didn't see anything controversial in his remarks, but the sensitivities of some were aroused in an unfortunate way imo.

And Brown's shittiness mandates cleaning house of all of them.

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I think he needlessly introduced a racial element here imo. He can correct me if I'm off base.

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He effectively called Ben as much of the problem, then WFR chimed in with the race crap. And Mike followed mindlessly.

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To be completely accurate, Brown ditched his team during the week but showed up to the game expecting to play.

I think pointing out existing material about Ben is also germane to the discussion since, again, he was the person the altercation was with and there is nothing necessarily racial in doing so either. If you want to say off-the-field stuff should be completely inapplicable for both, go for it, but I'm still struggling to see why it should be brought up only about Brown. And if we want to stick to on-the-field stuff, Roethlisberger doesn't strike me as someone who's a particularly good clubhouse guy for reasons beyond Haley and Brown. At a certain point (like RR just suggested) I think it's worth noting what a common denominator he's been in Steelers drama, rather than treating him as an innocent bystander.

But that's the thing tho: in December 2018, what does Ben have to do with anything about Brown going awol? I mean I understand reports suggest brown threw a football at Ben, but zeph didn't bring that up when he talked about ben.

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How? He made a comment about the off the field character of the other guy involved. Are you reading a different thread?

Here is the exchange:

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After the latest reports came out, the dysfunctional nature of the locker room seems to mandate cutting bait on all of them and starting over. And I originally posted in favor of Tomlin.

But then we got a Hitler reference out of the blue.

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Did you click the link that he responded to?

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I'll cop to thinking it was already common knowledge at this point that Roethlisberger was the initially unnamed teammate, but regardless I still don't think anything in my initial post necessarily implies anything racial unless one is bound and determined to read it that way.

Vegan setting the bar for level headed good discussion in 2019.

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Shots fired at Tall Midget.

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What do you want me to respond to?

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Pretty much.

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Mindlessly. Ok.

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Only 1 player in this put himself above the team and didn’t play in a must win game with the season on the line . That’s what the conversation is about.

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It's because you are here to score points on how woke you are, and you are determined to make it known regardless of how twisted your logic has to get to arrive there.

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[quote]On New Year's Eve, former Steelers safety and ESPN NFL analyst Ryan Clark joined Scott Van Pelt on SportsCenter to break down the situation. And he did not hold back on Brown, saying Brown has always "been a 'me' guy" and calling him "self-centered."

"Not surprised that there's beef, not surprised that there's issues. Antonio has been a guy who's been a "me" guy, he's been a guy that's self-centered in a way that he's concerned with the individual stats, how I'm being treated, I'm being perceived or portrayed. But the one person you can't have him fighting with is Ben Roethlisberger," Clark said. "There are many players in that organization that Antonio Brown is above. Ben is not one of those people. For it to get to a point where he's held out of this game, a must-win for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

"When you see him on the sideline in a mink coat before the game -- not Pittsburgh Steelers gear, not sideline gear, totally separate from team that lets you know that this is an issue that's not only about today or yesterday but it's been something that's happening throughout the year and his career."


As the discussion with Van Pelt continued, Clark told a story from 2012, Brown's third year, when the Steelers gave him a contract. Clark was a veteran on the team that season and Brown was a budding young star.

Brown had not yet been paid by the Steelers and had just a single 1,000-yard season under his belt. When Mike Wallace declined to sign a contract from Pittsburgh, the Steelers approached Brown about taking a deal. He did and, according to Clark, it changed him.

"Quick story: Antonio Brown is walking past the weight room in training camp [in 2012]. And right now we hear Mike Wallace has turned down his deal. Antonio is going into his third year. You hear Mike Wallace has turned down his deal. I knew already that they were going to offer Antonio," Clark recalled. "He's walking past, and I turned to the strength coach and I said 'if you give him money, you're going to create a monster.' That day at practice Antonio and I almost get into a fight because he's saying things to Coach LeBeau. He's screaming at Coach LeBeau, he's screaming at us defensively. 'Don't touch me, I'm the franchise,' this and that.

"Because he already had that mindset and now with success, with money, these things come."


Clark also referenced other stories and issues with Brown that he declined to elaborate on in the conversation with Van Pelt. But he made it very clear that he thinks Antonio Brown cares only about one thing: Antonio Brown.

"You hear more about him, some things that we don't need to bring up now. But when it comes to being a good teammate, when it comes to being supportive, understanding that you're trying to achieve one goal," Clark explained. "That doesn't matter to him. What matters to him is 19 attempts, 14 catches, 185 yards, two touchdown receptions. That's what's important to Antonio Brown."[/quote]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-s ... a-monster/

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I don't think anyone needed locker room access to notice what type of guy/teammate Brown is. He's always come off as a me first diva. I know that it comes with being an elite receiver but he appeared to be worse than anyone else.

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YEAH BUT ROETHLISBEGER !!

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Wow, that story about Clark seeing Brown in the weight room is pretty damning stuff.

Roethlisberger probably doesn't even lift.

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