I may be puffy, but I will also be stylishly dressed.

Seriously, I don't really understand the contempt some people have for any and all formality. I think we could use a little more of it. If you want a four star dinner while wearing pajamas and shower shoes there's always Vegas.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The night we got married we went to a higher line restaurant. They were not shy about stating they had a dress code. It may have been only minimum business casual but there was a line. That said, there is probably always the case that Antonio Brown comes in wearing jeans and is seated. Well, you know...

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Big Ben walks in with his dick hanging out and no one bats an eye. AB wears jeans and all of the sudden it's a thing!

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I agree with you JORR,I like to dress up for somethings. Dinner in a nice restaurant,Opera,theater. Things that should be special and enjoyed as such.

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It's fine once or twice a year but after that I have no desire to do it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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Its easy for guys to be 'dressed up.' Slacks and a polo shirt is all it takes. Depending on the restaurant or occasion, a nice looking pair of jeans can work too.

The whole suit and tie thing, I agree with BRick. Outside of weddings, twice a year is plenty.

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If you ever start lecturing us on saying no problem instead of you’re welcome I will know at that moment we officially lost you to Old Man-itis.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Let's dress up for RTS.

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Kind of bummed no one has started a thread "Informal Professions?" yet. Same posting question with different flair.

It is slack behavior though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Mostly these don’t bother me but when the salesrep calls me by the short form of my name to try to act friendly and familiar I bristle a bit because nobody calls me that.

It's not. When someone says thank you, saying no problem is more kind than saying you're welcome. You're letting them know it didn't feel like an obligation to help them out. You can have the formal clothes thing but you'll have a tough time winning this argument.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Yeah, I'm not gonna flip my lid because someone uses my first name, but I do think it's overly familiar for a salesperson to do so, even the formal version of it. And I've had to teach younger sales guys what a taboo it is to call a black man, especially an older one, by his first name.

On the other hand, if someone calls me Mr. __________, my impulse is to start looking around the room for my father.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If we're talking about workers saying it to customers, we're gonna have to disagree. I don't give a fuck if it is a problem. It's your fucking job.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

So you're admitting the entire gesture is hollow, whether it is no problem or you're welcome. Seems like more of an insult to utter it because you're supposed to, rather than meaning it.

Formalities are bottlenecks in business. Do the job and do it well. Everything else is subterfuge.

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Not always.

I ran a really popular night club some years ago.

We had a formal dress code. No jeans allowed, Period, when I first came on board.

Ron Kittle, Jason Caffey and Scottie Pippen were not allowed in when they came in blue jeans.

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Society runs on hollow gestures. Otherwise we'd all be punching each other in the face.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If it's my fucking job I don't need a thank you my man. THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY'S FOR!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I think you've got that backward, dumbass.

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We're fixing that.

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I don't think you'll be able to and if you were I highly doubt you'd like it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

No.. I never flip my lid over the the shortening to a familiar but I had a nickname growing up and it wasn’t the short version. In a room if you call me by the traditional nickname I will have zero reaction as it doesn’t even register.

Growing up all adults were sir/ma’am or Mr. or Mrs. last name. Had a few friends whose folks asked to be called by first name after I hit a certain age... can’t do it. It’s like meeting my teachers again 25 years later. Nowadays I have kids calling me by first name often... it’s odd but frankly, I don’t respond very well to Mr. Squirrel. I’m thinking someone’s talking to my father as you say.

Former manager of the Schaumburg Flyers, Ron Kittle?

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It's a worse feeling looking for your mother in law.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Can't agree more. I can't bring myself to address my parents lifelong friends by anything other than Mr. & Mrs. Last name even now.

But I have a few hundred kids/young adults who call me Coach (first name)

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Coach is respectful though even if they use your first name with it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I’ve looked for my mom after being asked where Mrs. Squirrel is. Odd feeling. My mom tells of being happy when my brother was born because she finally got to avoid the awkwardness of calling her mother in law Mrs. or Mom (no way was she going the first name route) as now she could just call her Grandmother. Having met my mother in law when I was 10 and father in law as a 17 year old... I kind of understand her predicament.