FavreFan wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
You mean before the Bears actually played any games?
This is a larger problem I have with FF being unaware of his hindsight biases. Fox went 46-18 with Denver and made the SB once. Before that he went to the SB with Carolina and made that team into a contender before going through some rough years at the very end of his tenure there. So you have a candidate for coach who has been to the SB twice with a career record well above 500 and you hire that coach to fix your piece of shit team. How is this a bad choice?
Why do you think that Fox got fired in Denver? Why do you think that once he was replaced, they went from getting blown the fuck out in the SB to winning it all with an even worse version of Peyton Manning?
All due respect but you are mistaken in who has hindsight bias when it comes to these discussions. You often just blindly quote historical records and results and, willfully or not, ignore much needed context. It's why you were wrong about Fox three years ago, are wrong now, and are only allowing that I was right because of "hindsight bias", when I clearly said right from the start that it was a horrible hire(and I wasn't trolling, as I said the opposite about Nagy).
Do better my friend, or stick to NBA discussions
First of all I don't recall what you said back when Fox was hired. If you suspected he wouldn't lead the Bears anywhere because of a handful of reasons based on his past performance, which was very good at the time, then that's pretty good analysis. I say that sincerely. When you say I ignore context or quote history blindly then that isn't me falling victim to hindsight bias. That's just me maybe over relying on data trends without much regard for the little details that go into the larger data sets I cite. Yes it's true Fox lost the SB and that his successor won the SB. For me, especially in and maybe only in the NFL, I don't care if you lose the big game. Getting there is a huge accomplishment. Getting there twice is even more of an accomplishment. Because the playoffs are do and die, and because there are so many variables at play in each game (catastrophic injuries, weather, missed calls, etc.), I don't believe the better team is always the one that wins the game. I don't believe the Giants were better than the 16-0 Patriots. I don't believe the Eagles are better than the Bears. If Parker's kick goes however many inches to the right then construction on Nagy's statue would have continued after the game. But because he missed guys are questioning Nagy's "game planning". It's logically absurd.
Maybe we debated the Fox hire back when it happened - i don't remember. I probably would have said I didn't care that he's lost both SBs he's been to for the reasons I cited above. If he took two different teams to the SB then there was no reason to think he couldn't do so in Chicago provided he had the necessary talent to do so. Given his past performance and the larger trends his teams demonstrated (winning records, playoffs) then it was objectively a good hire in my view.
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