I'm not sure where you're going here, but I wouldn't compare a guy working on an assembly line to a specifically skilled athlete who contracts on his own. As I said, I find the comparison to be at least slightly insulting. If we were having this conversation pre-Marvin Miller I might feel differently.

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Did you just compare me to pittmike?

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I'd have guessed you'd always be on the side of the worker in general.

https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#tab:overall

With the exception of the Tigers, not sure what's going on there, this doesn't look like a league so unhealthy that it needs to shut itself down and claw back player salaries to get itself right.

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I thought today's point was the players would be the ones to open this war not the owners. I would assume the owners would extend this agreement in a minute.

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I am. As I said above, I'd rather the money go to the players. But I don't consider the MLBPA a real union. Bryce Harper doesn't give a fuck about his "brothers".

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Ok, I thought BC was asking you if you are pro-worker in all industries so Id have thought you'd just say YES. Maybe im missing something.

How about a Restaurant Owner and a Chef?

What are you asking?

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I believe he wants you to JORRsplain your labor beliefs regarding every industry to him.

Did you have other plans today?

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Well, I find it untoward to compare people who are struggling against a callous factory owner or corporation in order to feed their families to a group of highly paid athletes in $4000 suits who want to act like Union members only when it suits them.

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Who should make more money? The guys who put up the money for the restaurant or the guy he hired to make the food?

I guess that depends on how good the chef is.

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You don’t know Latrell Sprewell’s struggles.

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But the Chef isn't invested in the restaurant. He can quit and go somewhere else, but the owner is stuck there with all of his money invested.

I know you didnt ask me, but I would say the Chef should be paid based on the market for chefs and if the owner cant afford that, in my opinion, he cant afford to own the business.

Recent trends suggest overpaying the chef is a bad idea. You want to get a young chef out of culinary school on a good contract and be able to build around him/her.

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The owner can make the call to pay the chef whatever he wants. I suspect his food will reflect what he pays.

We actually can look at the real life case of Grace and Curtis Duffy. I doubt the owner, Michael Olszewski, will ever be so successful again and I'm gonna say Duffy and Muser land on their feet. But when we're talking about specific skills it's not really a union situation. A guy like Duffy may or may not take it on the chin in order to stand with his less skilled colleagues.

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And if you happen to be grooming a guy to be a line cook, keep him on mop duty until May so he has one less year of food service time.

Are we assuming here the restaurant is worth $0?

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Doug Sohn will be fine .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Agreed.

Cost of doing business.

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You guys are a bunch of queers.

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Love or hate Keith Olbermann he is incredibly knowledgeable about baseball and it's history.

Olbermann is a science denier. The entire league is now metric. These bean counters know to the penny what a player is worth. Olbermann should stop pushing his flat earth conspiracies.

Teams still do dumb contracts( Stanton) that is handcuffing the yanks from Machado. I don't think it's collusion..it just far too long for executives to realize that 99% of these huge long term contracts don't work out.

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My recollection was this freezing of the free agent market seemed to happen all at once last year. If that's correct the suddenness of the change is a little suspicious. I understand that all teams have been embracing certain metrics and how that change could favor one type of player over another, but you would think that process would produce gradual change, not sudden change.

That being said, I suppose I'm on the side of management here. There had to be some downward pressure on salary at some point. The salary of the highest paid player in the league, the league average salary, and the league minimum salary, were rising much faster than the wages that most of us on this board make for easily the last 30 years, if not longer.

You know what else is rising faster? The value of franchises.

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But tickets aren't going down, beer's not going down, parking's not going down. That's just more money in the owners' pockets.

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