I get the same team did both but that does not make them equal. It is hard to live up to BB. The writing and acting can be superb on BCS and still not be as good as BB.

Saying I think it is silly is no slight to BCS. It is a really good show, I enjoy it thoroughly, but it just does not measure up to the standard of BB.

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That’s obviously fair.

Is it also fair that some people, some who happen to write about TV criticism for a living, consider them roughly equal quality? That’s what I meant by not getting the silly comment.

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The backstory to Saul on BCS is horrible. Not compelling or convincing at all. He wants to leave a high-paying gig at a huge firm because he prefers scamming people out of a few dollars? Or because he has some odd nostalgia for pranking people in Chicago with his fat ass friend? And Kim, who is climbing the ladder herself, wants to risk everything to get with this loser? Utterly unconvincing. So many more characters on BB and better character depth. The only well written character on BCS is Chuck.

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T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Now see this is a flat out ridiculous opinion that I can’t respect.

You seem to be under the impression humans always make the most sound logical choices for themselves and improving their situation. Doing anything self destructive would be unrealistic. That’s the hill you want to die on here?

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Hahaha. Not to mention Walt on BB. Please get all the way the fuck outta here with that vegan.

At one point in BB Walt is rich as fuck, on good terms with Skylar, and in remission, and he still doubles down on becoming Scarface. Yet a born fuck up who turns his life around but relapses into his old habits out of boredom and apathy is utter unconvincing?

Veganfan you have lost me on this debate. Idk what strain of logic you believe you are following in evaluating both shows.

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I’m sorry. I still can’t get over the fact that there is actually a somewhat intelligent person out there who’s biggest issue when it comes to BCS vs BB is BCS is too unrealistic. I’m dying.

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Yeah truly terrible opinion.


Vegan just seems to like taking contrarian opinions to fight about.

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Good case to be made Jimmy McGill is the most realistic prominent character in the BCS/BB universe. Once the BB timeline hits he comes an actual obvious TV character like basically everyone in BB outside of Jesse, at times.

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I’m glad this is an environment where you feel free to fail.

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My Uncle did that. (not to scam people, but to do things on his own terms)

Hank is pretty realistic.

Also, it was clear by the end that money, or even family, wasn't as important to Walt as being known as the chemistry genius.

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Agree, but I think he wanted to be known as an Empire Builder (Gray Matter, Heisenberg), not necessarily just chemistry.

He's actually, for my money, the funniest character on the show. I can't think of a bad scene with Roger in it.

Pete, Bert, and some other guys were funny but I don’t think there’s even a close second for funniest character on the show. Roger Sterling is one of the funniest characters in the history of tv.

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Roger Sterling was certainly my favorite Mad Men character.

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I don't think about you at all.

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Nope. I'm not one of those dudes. I'm genuine except in cases of obvious trolling and will concede points when I think it's fair to do that. How are you so offended by what I wrote? You also think BB is the superior show like I do.

I'll respond to FF later. For now I want to note that I am simply talking about character development. Plot is a different category.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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I am not offended. I just think your thoughts on BCS are terrible. It is a really good show. It is not in the same class as BB, but really solid

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Roger's "just when he got it in the door" after it was revealed the PP&L regional exec would lose his foot was delivered perfectly.

EDIT for context: https://youtu.be/bQwgQRQJjfQ?t=129

Ginsburg's idea WAS the better one, Don. So much so that you spent the whole night before the pitch agonizing over it.

Where did I say the show sucks?

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Did you even read your initial post on it? That was an endorsement?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... scene.html



Tony died. Confirmed.

Nomination vindicated

viewtopic.php?f=75&t=103603

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You didn't say it sucks but it sure doesn't seem like you think it is a good show...

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I stand by what I said. His writing is much more crisp with BCS (there are virtually no holes in the plot at all) and the casting has been next to perfect for the show. There isn’t a weak main character in the bunch where as you could argue there are a couple in BB (Jesse being one of the most obvious.. and he’s 1 of the 2 leads).


Breaking Bad at the time set a standard for regular cable TV there isn’t any going back from and was overall really well done from beginning to end -it deserves its place in tv history as not only a great show, but an important one as well. So don’t think I’m denying it those sentiments.


But BCS is a more well oiled machine from top to bottom. All of it’s seasons have been consistently of high quality, there’s virtually no filler episodes at all, and you’re getting peak performance from ever cast member. It’s just not as ‘fun’ for casual fans as BB was. So it’s doomed to be this ‘best kept secret’ type thing for snobs/critics.


Hell, we haven’t even gotten into ‘Fargo’ yet which is a stellar show that deserves way more love than I see people give it. 3 seasons in and for some reason it’s not constantly talked about. Is what it is I guess. For what it’s worth, season 2 of Fargo is my favorite so far. They’ve all been really well made tho.

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I thought Jesse was phenomenal after season 1 and season 3 of Fargo sucked so bad I couldn’t finish it. Agree with everything else you wrote though.

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Jesse killed it, you're the first person I've ever seen question the acting on BB. FF is right, Fargo season 3 was awful. First 2 were great tho.

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Yep. Seasons 1 & 2 of Fargo is some of the best TV I have ever watched. Season 3 was trash.

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