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One is real, the other a fictional classification.


Come on man, this is weak.

It is a pretty well known thing that stolen valor is a real thing.

I get you are wanting to piss off FF, but you can do better than this.
"Stolen valor" is utterly meaningless. Valor is an abstract concept. You cannot steal an abstract concept that belongs to no one.

You can, however, lie about military service, but that is ALL THAT IT IS: lying. It is not a separate and distinct offense.

While I believe this whole thread is ridiculous and a waste of time and reeks of clickbait you're wrong that valor is an abstract concept.
What is the SI unit of valor, then? Obviously that's a silly simplification, but come on, what is not abstract about valor?
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
One is real, the other a fictional classification.


Come on man, this is weak.

It is a pretty well known thing that stolen valor is a real thing.

I get you are wanting to piss off FF, but you can do better than this.
"Stolen valor" is utterly meaningless. Valor is an abstract concept. You cannot steal an abstract concept that belongs to no one.

You can, however, lie about military service, but that is ALL THAT IT IS: lying. It is not a separate and distinct offense.

While I believe this whole thread is ridiculous and a waste of time and reeks of clickbait you're wrong that valor is an abstract concept.
What is the SI unit of valor, then? Obviously that's a silly simplification, but come on, what is not abstract about valor?

Claiming you have a medal that you dont have is not abstract. A purple heart is a tangible thing. You can hold it.

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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.
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i wish being an asshole was a crime.

Are you wanting our board to no longer exist?

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 Post subject: Re: DD214 Challenge
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i wish being an asshole was a crime.

You want baby mac in prison?

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 Post subject: Re: DD214 Challenge
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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.

It's like lying about what you had for breakfast and no different according to JLN. And Jorr too TBH.

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Darkside wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
One is real, the other a fictional classification.


Come on man, this is weak.

It is a pretty well known thing that stolen valor is a real thing.

I get you are wanting to piss off FF, but you can do better than this.
"Stolen valor" is utterly meaningless. Valor is an abstract concept. You cannot steal an abstract concept that belongs to no one.

You can, however, lie about military service, but that is ALL THAT IT IS: lying. It is not a separate and distinct offense.

While I believe this whole thread is ridiculous and a waste of time and reeks of clickbait you're wrong that valor is an abstract concept.
What is the SI unit of valor, then? Obviously that's a silly simplification, but come on, what is not abstract about valor?

Claiming you have a medal that you dont have is not abstract. A purple heart is a tangible thing. You can hold it.
Let's say a wounded veteran later loses their Purple Heart, during a move or house fire or something. Does that person have less valor when the physical award is not in their possession? What about when it's not in their immediate possession? Do you have yo carry your awards at all times as a veteran to have valor? Is valor completely contingent on physical embodiments of awards and grades? (No, the answer you're looking for is "no".)
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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.

But only in cases where there is the intention of obtaining money, property, or other tangible benefit by convincing another that he or she received the award. I don't think in the original posts you could draw a line of tangible benefit to the claims, but if there were further lies after the $100 bounty was placed, then I think you have a case there.

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Really, JLN?
Now you sound kind of stupid.
This whole goddamn thread is ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: DD214 Challenge
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor_Act_of_2013

The previous version was ruled unconstitutional, so they added that clause.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.

It's like lying about what you had for breakfast and no different according to JLN. And Jorr too TBH.
Google "United States v. Alvarez" for me real quick.
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 Post subject: Re: DD214 Challenge
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there's no such thing as lake troll...

well, how do you explain all the dead unicorns?

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 Post subject: Re: DD214 Challenge
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Darkside wrote:
Really, JLN?
Now you sound kind of stupid.
How, specifically?
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.

It's like lying about what you had for breakfast and no different according to JLN. And Jorr too TBH.
Google "United States v. Alvarez" for me real quick.

I already know what that is because I care about this issue. The fact it got to that point invalidates your entire argument that it's the same as lying about anything else.

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Really, JLN?
Now you sound kind of stupid.
How, specifically?

We've already shown you how dumbass.

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I just want to remind everyone this is an internet message board.

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I just want to remind everyone this is an internet message board.


We actually have blockchain purple heart technology now, so this is real. All the Hawk has to do is show us his ledger.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.

It's like lying about what you had for breakfast and no different according to JLN. And Jorr too TBH.
Google "United States v. Alvarez" for me real quick.

I already know what that is because I care about this issue. The fact it got to that point invalidates your entire argument that it's the same as lying about anything else.
The majority opinion literally hinged on the the court viewing lying about being awarded a medal the same as lying about the size of your yacht to determine that the government cannot arbitrarily decide that "false statements generally should constitute a new category of unprotected speech".

So in actuality, the SCOTUS decision makes my point for me.
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FavreFan wrote:
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Really, JLN?
Now you sound kind of stupid.
How, specifically?

We've already shown you how dumbass.
All you've done is scream "VALOR IS REAL THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE" over and over again. You've offered up no cogent argument as to what is in any way tangible about valor.
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i wish being an asshole was a crime.

You want baby mac in prison?


Can you do it?

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FavreFan wrote:
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Watch closely now as the micromob changes focus to JLN rather than Hawk as they set out to accomplish their ultimate goal - unified thinking on every issue ever discussed. Let's see if they are successful in their quest.
As a Wiseman cheers on the call to doxx or ban a poster for lying.

I was wondering if this place would ever turn. The first two years after The Transition had me convinced it wouldn't, but here we are.

It's abundantly clear nothing is changing over this. Stop crying over this, you sound like the same annoying 12 year old you sound like on every topic. Try logging off and gaining a personalty and come back.
You want a poster banned for lying, yes? Isn't that one of the outcomes you stipulated?

Not for lying. For stealing valor. I know you think they are the same, they are not. And of course you don't understand the difference.



Assuming for the sake of argument that's what has occurred here (I will state that we are likely soon to discover it is not), is it really possible for an anonymous person on a message board to steal valor?

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If he steals someone’s desire to post on this message board, would that be akin to lying about bedding Ice Girl?

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Stolen Valor is a federal crime.



In that case anonymously lying about service on a message board is obviously not stolen valor.

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the board was better 2 years ago.

how many of you still say retard?

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
the board was better 2 years ago.

how many of you still say retard?

Way too many.

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