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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:44 am

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badrogue17 wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Classy guys, that Bryzzo tandem. Sounds like they need to point the thumb instead of the finger.

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The latest comes from SNY's John Harper, who explained why the New York Mets were so quick to hire Davis after he was fired from the Red Sox and Cubs in successive winters.

The reasoning? According to Harper, Cubs president Theo Epstein was pressured to fire Davis by two of the team's most notable hitters - Anthony Rizzo and Kris Bryant:

Secondly, Cubs president Theo Epstein didn't really want to fire Davis, according to multiple sources, yet felt he had no choice but to give in to the wishes of at least a few of his star hitters, most notably Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo.

"He caved," was the way one person close to the situation put it. "He's not happy about it. He thinks it's BS that the players complained about Chili, but he wasn't going to stick with his hitting coach just to make a point."

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-theo-ep ... 12568.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/b ... story.html

You think Rizzo had a bad year ?

He had a rough start trying to implement Chili's teachings. He took off once he went back to what he did in the B.C. era.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:07 am

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Didn't think Chili was good for the team or good for them?

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Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:09 am

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badrogue17 wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Classy guys, that Bryzzo tandem. Sounds like they need to point the thumb instead of the finger.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-theo-ep ... 12568.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/b ... story.html

You think Rizzo had a bad year ?

He had a horrible first third didn't he?

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Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:10 am

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I thought we were told Bryant always uses his dad and himself as the hitting coach? I guess he could have not liked if Chilli didn't leave him alone.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:05 am

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Theo's teams always seem to be dysfunctional but they win a lot too so it really doesn't matter.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:05 am

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Didn't think Chili was good for the team or good for them?

Well, they are 25% of the offense and overall the offense was a problem, soooo....the team and them.

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Tall Midget

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:21 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Theo's teams always seem to be dysfunctional but they win a lot too so it really doesn't matter.

Yeah, but Theo didn't get to this point--underperformance by overpriced free agents and a general feeling of instability due to tensions with the manager--until he had won TWO championships with the Red Sox.

The Cubs situation looks much more like a one-and-done scenario.

Cub fans better get over to their nearest Home Depot for a consultation. Because they're gonna need a replacement window. The one they've got now is jammed shut.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:01 pm

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The loss of a player like Fowler (I didn't believe he should have been re-signed) is still being felt. His career year was a huge reason the Cubs offense went from very good to great. With the exception of his idiotic moves at the lead off position, Maddon hasn't really changed that much of his approach, and I'm not sure what more he can do. This was still a World Series caliber team two years ago. If the following are true, then yes, its the start of the downward slide: Bryant can't get back to full health for a season, Theo can't sign a legitimate lead-off hitter and Yu can't come back healthy for a full season at the caliber of a #3 starter.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:23 pm

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:

What is a "legitimate lead off hitter"?

The only requirement for a lead off hitter is someone who gets on base a lot. Being a good baserunner is a plus but not necessary.

None of Maddon's moves with the lead off hitter were idiotic.

Your post reads like it was written in the 80s when stolen bases and small ball existed

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:33 pm

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Legitimate for me is switch hitter, higher OBP, high rate of contact and walks. I'm going to go ahead and say Schwarber as lead off was pretty idiotic. Almora wasn't much better.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:40 pm

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:

Legitimate for me is switch hitter, higher OBP, high rate of contact and walks. I'm going to go ahead and say Schwarber as lead off was pretty idiotic. Almora wasn't much better.

Yea, that doesnt really exist, there might be 5 guys in all of MLB like that. Probably fewer.

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Charlie Blackmon and George Springer are great lead off hitters.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:46 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:50 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

How long should you go with something like that before you cut bait?

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Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:53 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

It must be painful watching the window slam shut and you can't move your fingers from the window sill.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:58 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

It must be painful watching the window slam shut and you can't move your fingers from the window sill.

I'll let you know when that happens. My favorite team is coming off 4 post season appearances and 95 wins.

Youre confusing trolling with reality michael.

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:02 pm

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No problem. Just pointing out a few cracks in the foundation. I did not get join in the eventual downfall. I do enjoy some (mostly media types) will receive comeuppance.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:09 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

How long should you go with something like that before you cut bait?

When its the middle of May and your leadoff hitter is well under the Mendoza line and flopping around in the outfield, a change is probably a good thing.

Schwarber as the regular leadoff hitter probably should have been done away with near the end of April.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Does It Feel Like The Downward Slide Has Begun

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:11 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

How long should you go with something like that before you cut bait?

He led off for 37 games. So he stuck with him about 10 games too long by your numbers.

Ok, fair enough.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:15 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Putting Schwarber (high obp guy) there made perfect sense. It didn't work out, but the logic behind it was fine.

Right. But keeping Schwarber at leadoff for as long as Maddon did is absolutely idiotic.

It must be painful watching the window slam shut and you can't move your fingers from the window sill.

I'll let you know when that happens. My favorite team is coming off 4 post season appearances and 95 wins.

Many teams routinely make the playoffs--in all sports--without being legitimate contenders. We all knew what the Cubs were last year and will be again this year. It's OK to admit it. #HomeDepot #ReplacementWindow

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:34 pm

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2019 is going to be a great season for the Cubs and their fans. Since 2016, the team had seemed to think they were so good, that they could just turn it on when they needed to, and everything would work out. they have the past couple seasons now to look back on as well as the improved rosters in St Louis and Milwaukee to make it clear that a greater sense of urgency is needed and every game will matter. I believe that will result in several players ascending to far bigger roles this season and the team winning another World Series. Schwarber, Contreras, Almora and Bryant are guys I think will have great seasons that help them win the title. Baez should have another good season, but I wouldn't be shocked if he regressed a little from his MVP runner-up season.

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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:37 am

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Didn't you follow Frank around all last year wanting to bet him on a prediction he made? You taking action on the Cubs winning the World Series?

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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:28 pm

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Cubs have the best chance to win the title in 2019

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:53 am

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IkeSouth wrote:

Cubs have the best chance to win the title in 2019

Not with that pitching staff and the continuing decline of Bryzzo.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:57 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

IkeSouth wrote:

Cubs have the best chance to win the title in 2019

Not with that pitching staff and the continuing decline of Bryzzo.

This post has more Hope than Obama's 2008 campaign.

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:24 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

IkeSouth wrote:

Cubs have the best chance to win the title in 2019

Not with that pitching staff and the continuing decline of Bryzzo.

This post has more Hope than Obama's 2008 campaign.

Not unlike the Cubs pitching staff, your post will not age gracefully.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:26 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

IkeSouth wrote:

Cubs have the best chance to win the title in 2019

Not with that pitching staff and the continuing decline of Bryzzo.

This post has more Hope than Obama's 2008 campaign.

Not unlike the Cubs pitching staff, your post will not age gracefully.

In reality the pitching staff had the 3rd best ERA in all of baseball last year.

Like I said, it's all hope. Maybe the hope will be rewarded.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 am

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If the pitching staff was so good, why did they need a new pitching coach...again?

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:56 am

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

If the pitching staff was so good, why did they need a new pitching coach...again?

Are you alleging the team with the third best ERA in all of baseball was NOT good?

Just want to make sure how we are bending reality before I answer.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:58 am

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I didn't say they were bad. Blowing a five game division lead in September is pretty terrible, but overall the Cubs were not bad.

What I'm asking is that if the Cubs really are as good as everybody says and thinks they are, why are they going thru coaches left and right?

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:01 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

No, you definitely were trying to allege they werent good, that's why you started with IF THEY WERE SO GOOD

Coaches leave or get fired for many different reasons, without being in the organization its hard to say.

I will keep in mind going forward that 95 Wins = Not bad

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