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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:35 pm 
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I consider this a less than stellar field. I think there will be quite a stout pace in here considering they're going for $9 million and there are several horses that prefer to be forwardly placed. I'm probably going to be playing looking for the race to fall apart late. Seeking The Soul looks to have a good position right behind the speed horses. If there's really a meltdown, there's little doubt Gunnevera will be coming. But I think a real sleeper in here is Audible. He doesn't have the best post for the distance at Gulfstream and he has yet to run the figures some of these horses have, but he's a horse that is good at working out a trip and I don't think he will be contesting things early. Also, his last race is considered a disappointment by most, but it really wasn't terrible and the track conditions were very bad that day.

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I consider this a less than stellar field. I think there will be quite a stout pace in here considering they're going for $9 million and there are several horses that prefer to be forwardly placed. I'm probably going to be playing looking for the race to fall apart late. Seeking The Soul looks to have a good position right behind the speed horses. If there's really a meltdown, there's little doubt Gunnevera will be coming. But I think a real sleeper in here is Audible. He doesn't have the best post for the distance at Gulfstream and he has yet to run the figures some of these horses have, but he's a horse that is good at working out a trip and I don't think he will be contesting things early. Also, his last race is considered a disappointment by most, but it really wasn't terrible and the track conditions were very bad that day.


I agree with you about Audible. Third off the lay-off he should be in better form than he was in the Harlan's Holiday. But it could be that he doesn't like the GP track. Accelerate has a considerable speed advantage, but City of Light had a better final speed figure (111) his last time out compared to Accelerate, albeit at the shorter 1 mi. distance. Seeking the Soul has been a dogged competitor in the high stakes races, but is short on wins.

I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless with an overdrive gear. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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If Accelerate wants to control the race he's going to have trouble. I figure City Of Light will be on the lead, but Patternrecognition has to leave hard from out where he is and he was impressive as hell in his last. If Accelerate is hot and gets caught up slugging it out with those two, there will be the kind of pace I'm looking for.

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.

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Ton of speed.....always a sucker for Horses for Courses so Audible and Gunnevera exacta box :D

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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I think now that it was just the wet track that Audible didn't like in the Harlan's Holiday, on top of there being no pace in that race and him getting a bad trip by having to go six wide in the mud around the far turn to get in the clear. If he gets a fast track, I would expect him to do much better, considering he won the Florida Derby and Holy Bull at GP back in the first months of 2018. Gunnevera also has done well at GP, winning two of three, with the one he didn't win being a show finish in last year's Pegasus. Neither Accelerate nor City of Light have run a race at GP before, so that's something to consider. Accelerate has been in only one race where the pace was really hot and that was in the Awesome Again stakes, but he still managed to hold off West Coast, even getting separation into the wire.

It's still Accelerate's race to win, no matter how you slice it, but Audible could surprise if he gets the fast track. I don't think Gunnevera can get it done, because of a lack of early speed.

Win - Accelerate and Audible

Ex. box - Accelerate and Audible

Tri-fecta - Key Accelerate with Audible, Gunnevera and Seeking the Soul


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Man I love Gunnevera. The idea of a horse being bought for 16K and then earning over 4 million is so awesome, regardless of the connections. JORR I don’t know about a pace meltdown, but that would set him up nicely. It could be the Fountain of Youth ’17 all over again on the same course, which was my favorite race of his ever.

I guess I just don’t see that scenario happening. When City of Light beat Accelerate earlier this year at Oaklawn, he pressed behind the early speed and didn’t move really until the ¾ pole. He also got a dream trip. Patternrecognition could be upfront but will have to do a lot of heavy lifting from the 12-hole. If that pace meltdown doesn’t occur, the race falls into Accelerate’s lap. And I just don’t see much talent otherwise.

Audible is intriguing (particularly at Gulfstream, although I really don’t like a 1st time rider on that horse who switching coasts). As is Seeking The Soul. Which only means morons like me looking for value will throw money at those two, them making them underlays at racetime.

May even bet on Bravazo, not a bad horse, has the rail, and a ridiculously hot Luis Saez onboard.

I’m actually looking forward to the undercard much more.


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Dignified Rube wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.


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Sure, what's the bet exactly?

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Man I love Gunnevera. The idea of a horse being bought for 16K and then earning over 4 million is so awesome, regardless of the connections. JORR I don’t know about a pace meltdown, but that would set him up nicely. It could be the Fountain of Youth ’17 all over again on the same course, which was my favorite race of his ever.

I guess I just don’t see that scenario happening. When City of Light beat Accelerate earlier this year at Oaklawn, he pressed behind the early speed and didn’t move really until the ¾ pole. He also got a dream trip. Patternrecognition could be upfront but will have to do a lot of heavy lifting from the 12-hole. If that pace meltdown doesn’t occur, the race falls into Accelerate’s lap. And I just don’t see much talent otherwise.

Audible is intriguing (particularly at Gulfstream, although I really don’t like a 1st time rider on that horse who switching coasts). As is Seeking The Soul. Which only means morons like me looking for value will throw money at those two, them making them underlays at racetime.

May even bet on Bravazo, not a bad horse, has the rail, and a ridiculously hot Luis Saez onboard.

I’m actually looking forward to the undercard much more.


Yeah, we'll have to see the prices. I think a fresh Bravazo could be a player in there.

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Is Sunday a forced payout at Gulfstream? Could be a lot of drunk money in the pools. Not that I've ever really been that successful there when that happens.


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Is Sunday a forced payout at Gulfstream? Could be a lot of drunk money in the pools. Not that I've ever really been that successful there when that happens.



Yeah, I'll probably take a crack at the forceout if I can find something to single that isn't super obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.


Side bet $20?



Sure, what's the bet exactly?


If Kukulkan finishes within 20 lengths of the winner, I win; if he finishes 20 lengths more, you win. The bet is $20.

And I add KuKulkan to my win tickets.


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Dignified Rube wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.


Side bet $20?



Sure, what's the bet exactly?


If Kukulkan finishes within 20 lengths of the winner, I win; if he finishes 20 lengths more, you win. The bet is $20.

And I add KuKulkan to my win tickets.



Okay. Done.

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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
I think the Mexican horse, KuKulkan, is intriguing, in that he has never lost in 10 races and has a running style that reminds me of West Coast, fluid and effortless. Of course he's up against the toughest competition in the Pegasus, but's he's run his last five races at 1 1/8 mi. The distance plays to his strength. One thing you can be sure of is that you will get nice odds on him, if you're willing to take him on a flier.


I will be shocked if he is within 20 lengths of the winner.


Side bet $20?



Sure, what's the bet exactly?


If Kukulkan finishes within 20 lengths of the winner, I win; if he finishes 20 lengths more, you win. The bet is $20.

And I add KuKulkan to my win tickets.



Okay. Done.


Slight typo, meant to write 20 lengths or more.

You have to have a way to win somehow, JORR. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pegasus World Cup
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Smarty Jones Stakes in an hour at Oaklawn opening day, normaly run on MLK day. It is worth 10 points towards the derby....guessing Asmussen's duo takes a lot of the action....I really liked Bankits finish last time out. Exacta key Bankiit with Six Shooter and Long Range Toddy


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Smarty Jones Stakes in an hour at Oaklawn opening day, normaly run on MLK day. It is worth 10 points towards the derby....guessing Asmussen's duo takes a lot of the action....I really liked Bankits finish last time out. Exacta key Bankiit with Six Shooter and Long Range Toddy

I like the cut of your jib......Forloveofcountry Jersey Joe on a Divito trainee won last in the slop take my money please :drunken:

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with the addition of Ote horse racing talk is going to go way up!

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You just wait 'till tomorrow. :wink:

Rained last night Divito's horse might need 6 furlongs :lol: I think I found a place that won't tell me ho nay points and minutes Jabari Parker played :twisted:

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Off turf 1,3,and 5 and track is sloppy. Damn it.


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City of Light is too much of a horse not to have underneath. I take him over Seeking the Soul.

Don't think there are going to be any big surprises in this race. These top-tier horses are too good that they'll run like they have up to this point. They say Accelerate is looking quite fit, but I like what I see from City of Light.

I'm rooting for Kukulkan, because it's a good story and the horse has a neat name---the feathered serpent. He takes the lead of the jockey very well, though I know some are questioning his speed. The horse hasn't really been in a race, because he's beaten the competition that badly. And he's undefeated, for whatever it's worth.


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Next Race (4) I get that it's in the slop, but a Pletcher 1ster out of Union Rags at 30-1...eleven MTP??? hmmmm..


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Next Race (4) I get that it's in the slop, but a Pletcher 1ster out of Union Rags at 30-1...eleven MTP??? hmmmm..



I'm alive in the PK-3 to the 11 for $10. I'm surprised he's 90/1. He should be on or near the lead and I think he'll be better than last time.

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It would have been interesting to see how it would have gone if my guy hadn't been hip-checked by the 12 leaving the gate.

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Damn JORR that sucked..fast splits too...I didn't see the replay yet...would've been a day maker.


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Finally back on turf, and hitting some tickets. I really like Dream Pauline in this spot out of her G3 win right here at Gulf. Shamrock Rose is good, but not 8/5 good. And Blamed is being (no surprise) overbet. 2,8/all exacta.


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Finally back on turf, and hitting some tickets. I really like Dream Pauline in this spot out of her G3 win right here at Gulf. Shamrock Rose is good, but not 8/5 good. And Blamed is being (no surprise) overbet. 2,8/all exacta.


I think Blamed is being bet like that because she figures to be loose on the lead and the way the track has been the front is awfully tough.

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